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I am an experienced fish keeper, and have kept malawi's for around 8 years. I'm now changing my setup back to a tropical community. These are my plans, would this stocking list work?

firemouth cichlids pair
bolivian rams pair
angel fish pair
neon tetras
rummynose tetras
tiger barbs
cories
red tail shark
gourami's
Yoyo loach
kuhli loach

My tank is a Juwel Trigon350, and i also have an additional eheim 2128 external filter.

Thanks.
 
That sounds like a whoooleeee lot of problems. Your neons may get eaten by any number or those, especially the firemouths or angels, the angels will fight the firemouths and rams, and the tiger barbs will shred up your gouramis and angels. Maybe just pass on the firemouths and get either angels OR rams, and i would advise against tiger barbs with that stocking.
 
yes that is a dangerous combo of vicous and fin nipping territorial fish you have there, you will prob end up with disapering fish and lots of stress. Keep an eye out for injuries because this can cause disease ending with the whole tank on a wipeout!! :no:
 
firemouth cichlids pair
bolivian rams pair
angel fish pair
neon tetras
rummynose tetras
tiger barbs
cories
red tail shark
gourami's
Yoyo loach
kuhli loach

I would say no to the Fire Mouths if your wanting a nice mixture, Kuhli Loach and Angel Fish should be kept in groups - Angels minimum of 4 unless a bonded pair.. although a bonded a pair will become territorial over the tank once in breeding condition.

Red tailed sharks can be nippy, same for tiger barbs unless kept in large groups and the Gourami would depend on the species your going for.
 
Not quite so completely mental...

firemouth cichlids pair
bolivian rams pair
angel fish pair
neon tetras
rummynose tetras
tiger barbs
cories
red tail shark
gourami's
Yoyo loach
kuhli loach

Right, I think you may get away with the 3 pairs of cichlids if you are *very* lucky, best off choosing the Bolivian Rams and EITHER Angels or Firemouths. Maybe once tank is established you could try it, once you know your fishes personalities.

The neons are quite a small and slim bodied fish, will get eaten by both angels and firemouths... I would swap for a type of tetra thats much deeper in the body (rosy tetras, ornate tetras, black phantoms, red phantoms, flame tetra, harlequins etc) or better still, double up the size of the shoal of Rummynose, you will love the effect of having more!!

Tiger Barbs can be savage, you would need 15+ of them and even then, they will nip your angels and gouramis... How about thinking of a different species of barb? There are lots of great species that are less...well... psychotic... (Rhombo Barbs, Pentazonas,Parti Pentazonas, Cherry and Checkered to name a few!).

Corys are a gread idea! To be honest, choose a species you like and they will do great, 12-15 would be lovely, i would stick to one or two species as they do better in larger groups of each species and it means you might get babies :)

Red Tailed Shark... I dont know the excitement about these fish, i wish they werent even imported... they are thugs! They will cause havoc in the tank! You wont be able to mix them in with other territorial fishlike those cichlids and long finned gouramis and the shyer tetras. When you start adding fish that are going to cause a lot of stress into the tank, its going to stress fish out and you risk outbreaks of stress related/low immune system whitespot etc... He would also likely cause you problems with bottom dwellers like cories and loaches.

Goramis depends on which species! Avoid dwarf gouramis, too tempermental, easily stressed and prone to dying! If you stick with a pair/trio of Golds or opaline/three spots you will be ok or even better still Moonlight or Pearls (calmer species).

Yoyo loaches, nice to see its not clown loaches!! You will need to watch the Yoyos... as they get big they can get quite nippy too, some are ok, some i've seen go for angels... seems to vary... but atg about 16cm each i've seen these guys get big and boisterous! How about Botia Kubotai or a bigger group of the slightly smaller Botia Striata? Loaches in groups are great fun! Really active and encourages them to be out and about and doing the 'happy loach dance'.

And last but not least LOL khuli loach are neither here nor there, they are tiny and you very rarely see them (though good for eating left over foods).


If it was me, personally... it would be:

-Pair of Angels
-Pair of Bolivian Rams
-15-20 Rummynose
-10-15 Ornate Tetras
-15 sterbai corys (they are gorgeous and babies worth a bit)
-4 Pearl Gouramis (though might be tempted to swap for 6-8 Honey Gouramis)
-6 Botia Striata

Thats more than enough to be going on, by not having the shark, not having to have loads of tiger barbs, having two rather than three pairs of cichlids, it means you can up the shoals of smaller species quite nicely!

A lot of it will depend on decor too, lots of bogwood will keep the water nice and soft for your tetras and cichlids.

I might also add a pair of bristlenose to help eat algae...

And I would have to add loads of plants too :)

EDIT: Forgot to add, i would have super filtration and if after a year or so the tank is still doing great, i might add a shoal of Cherry barbs, they dont get big but really beautiful, personally i would just have a shoal of males as they make a far nicer display without the females in there.
 
First of all, thanks for all the input. Been very helpful, especially MBOU.

As suggested, i'll take out the neons, tiger barbs & RT Shark.

With the cichlids, i was really hoping to go with all three, but by the sounds of it this just wont work :(
So, as much as i dont want to, will probably sacrifice the Firemouths and keep with angels/rams. How many angels should i go with, i was thinking 3-4? i also really wanted to give the tiger barbs a go, but they sound risky as well, so will have to regretabbly give these a miss too.

For aquascaping I was going to go with a couple of big driftwood pieces, with articifial plants from sydeco. ive been the real planted route in the past, and the maintenance involved just doesnt appeal to me anymore. so i am hoping the sydeco plants fit the bill ( ihavent seen them in person, only pictures from PFK)
My external eheim filter is for a 600litre tank, so more than adequate to deal with the 350litres in the trigon.
 
Out of your list I have Rams, Angels and Gouramis (Dwarf), a pair of each, there can be a little chasing from time to time but nothing to worry about. I have had a red tail shark (died sadly) in there, he tended to stick to the bottom and never seen any aggression from him or towards him.

Never kept any of the others, hope that helps a little.
 
Danios prefer much lower temperatures than pretty much all the other fish...danios do better in 19-22 deg C IME but the others at 26-27 deg C...

I wouldnt rule out having three cichlid pairs, i just think, if you were to add another pair so fast, you might get problems... there are other species of cichlids too that might be less territorial...

Or go for those few extra angels, i'd put in 4-6 babies and be prepared to sell some one when they get bigger and settle down into pairs....
 
Just having a thought, i was going to replace the substrate with some black gravel. but im now wondering whether the existing coral sand will go with the new inhabitants? its the really fine type.
my PH is at 7.5
 
I wouldnt risk it, especially not for the fish you want, if you get rid of the coral sand, your pH might drop to 6.5-7 which is an ideal for the fish you want that a lot of people have to really work for!! Tapwater where i am has a pH of 8.5-9 already!!
 
ok, will not be reusing the coral sand.

next question i have is with my restocking. The malawi setup that i had was running for around 8years, so the filters and everything else are obviously well matured. Unfortunately i had a serious problem, and got a major outbreak of some sort of disease. As a result, i virtually lost all of my fish, apart from a few which survived. i took them down to the LFS today and handed them over. So now i have an empty tank, ive left the pumps/filtration all running.
would it be safe for me to assume that i can stock up again, going with a full..ish stock from word go?
obviously i will be loosing the coral sand/changing to normal gravel and doing a 100% water change, then over the next week or so place the driftwood/plants, depending if i can get hold of some decent ones. i just wasnt sure how i should tackle introducing the new fish in?
how long does the bacteria remain in the tank/filters if there are no fish in the tank?
 
Really depends on what killed your fish in the first place... personally, id give the filters a bit of a clean, change substrate, do 50% water change and run the tank for a week....

But depends what killed the fish and how likely it is to still be in the tank. Best not start it from scratch if possible!
 
Must have been a disease of some sort, which killed all the existing stock, not sure, but never had this problem in all my fishkeeping life.

ok, the only reason i thought a 100% water change would be required would be to ensure anything left in the existing water was taken out. Considering the filters still remain in place, even with this volume water change , would this not mean that i'm not starting from scratch?
 

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