Fungus? Ich? Fin Rot? Bite?

[ClownLurch]

The salts done for the Ramshorns. Gonna gravel vac the poor sods up right now. I’ve a few in the other tank so will hopefully be able to repopulate.

 

[mbsqw1d]

Have you managed to check the water parameters CL? I know you've done a few wc's now but wonder if your cycle had crashed for some reason? It seems something has gone very wrong ?

 

[UnknownFishies]

Worst WCMM now unable right itself. Laying upside down on substrate. Twas one who’d been attacked on film. Clove oil time I think. Tail fin less than 50% of what it was.
Anothers looking ropey. None of em seem happy.

Does heat increase and/or salt work with temperate fish?

I’m a noob but what is WCMM

 

[mbsqw1d]

I’m a noob but what is WCMM

White Cloud Mountain Minnow

 

[UnknownFishies]

White Cloud Mountain Minnow

Ohhhh ok! That makes 100 percent more sense now. For some reason I thought it was Water change and then something that started with m’s?

 

[ClownLurch]

Another WCMM dead. That’s four. One other looking well on the way to a watery grave.
No fish lost for 7 months now ten in twelve days.

Its the WCMMs that look ill the guppy looks as happy as can be as do the five remaining Medakas.




Water test shows normal.
Amm 0.25 which is how it comes out of the tap.
Rites 0
Rates 10 which is how it comes out of the tap.
The big water changes have seen to that but every weekly test has read the same since my first few back early last summer.

Done another 50% WC since samples taken And topped up ESHA % I’ve presumably removed.

Time will tell. Ten down fourteen to go. Deep sigh.

 

[Slaphppy7]

Another WCMM dead. That’s four. One other looking well on the way to a watery grave.
No fish lost for 7 months now ten in twelve days.

Its the WCMMs that look ill the guppy looks as happy as can be as do the five remaining Medakas.




Water test shows normal.
Amm 0.25 which is how it comes out of the tap.
Rites 0
Rates 10 which is how it comes out of the tap.
The big water changes have seen to that but every weekly test has read the same since my first few back early last summer.

Done another 50% WC since samples taken And topped up ESHA % I’ve presumably removed.

Time will tell. Ten down fourteen to go. Deep sigh.

Something is rotten in Denmark....sorry for all of these losses

 

[ClownLurch]

Another WCMM bites the substrate. No visible fin damage.
24 fish just under 14 days ago.
23 fish three days ago iirc. It’s blurring into one.
13 fish left as on an hour ago.

Last two WCMMs showing no visible fin damage or bite marks. Last Medaka had no fin damage but had a red ring similar to a bite mark. Guppy seemed to have a swim bladder problem.

No problems at all in the 10G on the other side of the room.

Ive turned the lights out and closed the door. I’m done with it for tonight. What will be will be. Dont judge me too harshly, my dad died six weeks ago and they’re fish. Normally I’d be distraught but not at the moment.

At this rate I’ll be able to take ALL the rescue Black Corys , Rosy Loaches and Zebras I was offered a few weeks back.

Take care everyone. Stay safe.

 

[AdoraBelle Dearheart]

Another WCMM bites the substrate. No visible fin damage.
24 fish just under 14 days ago.
23 fish three days ago iirc. It’s blurring into one.
13 fish left as on an hour ago.

Last two WCMMs showing no visible fin damage or bite marks. Last Medaka had no fin damage but had a red ring similar to a bite mark. Guppy seemed to have a swim bladder problem.

No problems at all in the 10G on the other side of the room.

Ive turned the lights out and closed the door. I’m done with it for tonight. What will be will be. Dont judge me too harshly, my dad died six weeks ago and they’re fish. Normally I’d be distraught but not at the moment.

At this rate I’ll be able to take ALL the rescue Black Corys , Rosy Loaches and Zebras I was offered a few weeks back.

Take care everyone. Stay safe.

I'm so sorry, my friend. For the losses of the fish (and I wish I could help more there), but mainly for the loss of your father. That's one of the most unbearable pains I can imagine, and no one is going to judge you for not being distraught over fish while you're grieving such a big loss already. You clearly were doing what you could for your fish despite your pain.

Take all the time you need, and try to take care of yourself as best you can.

 

[ClownLurch]

All present and correctish this morning.

One WCMM lying still on sand but upright, one swimming around occasionally on sand and upright. Two swimming around constantly an inch or two above sand. Three swimming around mid/top tank looking almost back to normal.

Five Medakas looking as normal.
Remaining guppy seems normal.

Day 3 of ESHA medicine dropped in. 15 drops. 10 into end of the tank that four strugglers have occupied and 5 at the opposite end. No idea if that may help but it felt a positive thing to do.

Stay safe everyone.

 

[ClownLurch]

One dead WCMM yesterday morning. With one unhealthy one remaining. Did a 33%WC and GV by buckets and refilled by buckets with no python involved for foreseeable future.
The ESHA 3 day course was over but as I’d removed 33% of water I took an executive decision to add 33% of day 2&3 recommended dose as leaflet mentions overdosing isn’t possible (within reason I’d imagine)
Everyone else in tank looking good last night apart from one WCMM.

One dead Medaka this morning. Which is a real blow as they’ve looked very healthy for the last few days. They seem to just die with no bad signs lasting for any length of time unlike the WCMMs. One dead RCS also.
The unhealthy looking WCMM doesn’t seem to be any worse. Hopefully recovery is possible.
23 fish down to 10 in under a week.

The free rescue fish aren’t available for six weeks or so when their owners move back up north. Hopefully things will be ok by then. They’d be QTd regardless but I think it’ll be a two way QT situation if I take any.

I forgot to mention the good news. MrsLurch OK’d the idea of a 6’ tank before all this trouble started.

 

[AdoraBelle Dearheart]

One dead WCMM yesterday morning. With one unhealthy one remaining. Did a 33%WC and GV by buckets and refilled by buckets with no python involved for foreseeable future.
The ESHA 3 day course was over but as I’d removed 33% of water I took an executive decision to add 33% of day 2&3 recommended dose as leaflet mentions overdosing isn’t possible (within reason I’d imagine)
Everyone else in tank looking good last night apart from one WCMM.

One dead Medaka this morning. Which is a real blow as they’ve looked very healthy for the last few days. They seem to just die with no bad signs lasting for any length of time unlike the WCMMs. One dead RCS also.
The unhealthy looking WCMM doesn’t seem to be any worse. Hopefully recovery is possible.
23 fish down to 10 in under a week.

The free rescue fish aren’t available for six weeks or so when their owners move back up north. Hopefully things will be ok by then. They’d be QTd regardless but I think it’ll be a two way QT situation if I take any.

I forgot to mention the good news. MrsLurch OK’d the idea of a 6’ tank before all this trouble started.

I'm so sorry Sorry for the losses, and sorry I'm not more use - I wish I had some ideal of what was happening with your tank!

About the eSHa 2000, the leaflet does also say it's okay to extend the treatment for a few days for particularly bad/stubborn problems (can't remember the exact wording!) and I ended up using the day 2/3 dosage for a week with my cories stubborn lump without apparent ill-effect.

Exciting news about the six foot tank though! At least you have something nice to look forward to, ditto for the rescue fish. Works out quite well that it'll be six weeks before they need you to take them, since Colin says to wait a month after losses before adding more fish. What fish did they want you to take again? Rosy loaches?

What are you thinking of for the 6' tank? You could have an amazing rainbow tank with that size and your water!

 

[ClownLurch]

Thanks.
I think the rescues are from a 6’ tank of guppy, platy, swordtails, mollies, Plecos, long fin zebras, white clouds, rosy loaches and black Corys. It’s about a mile or so away though I’ve never seen it and don’t know it’s owners.
The old boy on the corner and his son are taking the Livebearers and Pleco as thats all they keep. It’s the sons neighbour who is breaking the tank down and they’re taking the tank and cabinet with them when they move.
Id mentioned possibly getting long fin zebras a while back though I’d prefer a bottom dwelling fish so they mentioned me. The Corys were bought from pets at home about 200yds away from me just before lockdown a year ago and are still alive. The Rosy Loaches I know nothing about. Neither are ideal for my liquid rock but would be going to the local MA if I say no where they’ll presumably be sold into our local liquid rock again. I’ve talked myself into a clear conscience here!
Hopefully there’ll be someone from the current tank left to move into a 6’ with them. I’ll obviously build up the survivors numbers as well.

Its a slog sometimes.

 

[ClownLurch]

Speaking of slogs. Two dead Mosquitofish in my other tank this afternoon. Others seem ok. No visible damage or growths.
Ive seperate nets, baster, bucket, gravel vacc, funnel, jugs etc for the two tanks.
Im fastidous about washing my hands prior to doing anything to tanks. I WC and GV on seperate days using different equipment.

Im starting to suspect that maybe I’ve not washed my hands after bacteria gel washing them on entering a shop. It’s the only possible explanation I can think of though I always do once shoppings put away. I can’t think of why I wouldn’t do so though.

Make sure you wash your hands every time please.

 

[AdoraBelle Dearheart]

Speaking of slogs. Two dead Mosquitofish in my other tank this afternoon. Others seem ok. No visible damage or growths.
Ive seperate nets, baster, bucket, gravel vacc, funnel, jugs etc for the two tanks.
Im fastidous about washing my hands prior to doing anything to tanks. I WC and GV on seperate days using different equipment.

Im starting to suspect that maybe I’ve not washed my hands after bacteria gel washing them on entering a shop. It’s the only possible explanation I can think of though I always do once shoppings put away. I can’t think of why I wouldn’t do so though.

Make sure you wash your hands every time please.

Is it possibly a problem with your water supply? Extra chlorine added perhaps? Some other chemical or works on the pipes? Just another possible explanation, I don't know how you'd find out if that's true, other than dip strips that test for chlorine, and maybe if you call the water supplier, you could find out if they've changed anything or done work nearby?

Hand sanitiser is nasty though, @CassCats lost a lot of fish, and some that survived were blinded - by her kid hand feeding the fish without washing his hands first, after using sanitiser while shopping.

I get so nervous about cleaning a tank after using sanitiser on the same day. I try to only do them on my days off now. But when I get home from work or shopping now, I scrub my hands and under my nails really thoroughly with hot water, dish soap, and a nail brush. Getting it all out from under nails isn't always easy, would be so easy to accidentally contaminate

@Colin_T what do you think? Something weird for sure!