Fishless Cycling

Sounds like MW's "tap under the sink" might work out for you, a pretty good idea and can see that that could be practical in a number of ways. I'll just mention, though, in case it helps in some other way that the "difficult mixing tap" is exactly what I thought Python was potentially good for. They make a whole bunch of adaptors that basically are little brass parts with a thread on one side that fits a given brand and model of tap and has a standard hosepipe thread on the other side.

In my case I had a really odd modern bathroom mixing tap and even when I called Python on the phone they said they didn't have an adapter for it but I became suspicious that perhaps my threads weren't all that strange after all and so I took a chance and bought one of the adapters I though it might be after some study. It turned out to fit perfectly and so with virtually no work I now have this easy system where I unscrew the little screen/aerator from the tap spout, screw on the little brass adapter and then can attach a super-long hose (I bought one of their long clear-tubing ones. It is clean, flexible and not too heavy and attaches to an assortment of gravel cleaner cylinders on the other end.) An unexpeted benefit of my modern faucet was that it has a single lever that stays in the temperature position last selected even when turned off (does that make sense, lol?), so I can repeatedly move my hand from a cup of current tank water to match it against faucet temperature positions. Then when I've matched the right position I just turn it off, connect up the adapter and hose and lift the single lever to slowly increase tap water force, knowing the correct temperature position is still in place. This wastes no water re-matching temps.

Now the whole topic of whether you need any warm water to begin with and whether your hot water heater leaves the water clear of trace metals is a whole extra topic, but in my case the hot water heater is glass lined and I like to do large percentage water changes on a relatively small tank (28g) so this is perfect for my situation compared to huge tanks getting small percentage changes or if I had concern about lots of metal in my hot water.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw this out since you sound like a practical guy and will probably think over all alternatives. You might have a faucet like mine in some bathroom that's farther away but not too far. Doing the whole operation where there is a bathtub can also be handy if you have to "safety-drain" to watch for small fish who might get sucked up and also for setting a bucket of tank water for filter cleaning, and the filter, etc.

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Thanks for the reply WD

My kitchen tap is a mixer, but the tap is more like a shower head. Supposed to be used for cleaning lettuce etc.

Nit Wit here :stupid: , only thinking one way track. I have another tap in the Bar :drinks: which is about the same distance with a standard mixer on it so that would be a hell of a lot easier wouldn't it. :blush:

syphon cleaning is no worries as I can do that staight into the wheelie bin, wheel it outside and dump it on the lawn. I tried to do it straight onto the law with a longer hose but there was stuff all suction so into the bin it goes without much fussing around. :good:

Update this morning from the wife :wub: .

12 hours after ammonia added

Water temp 29.9 (thank god it came down)
Am =0 :good:
Ni = 5+ :(
Na = 20
Ph = 7.4


CHEERS
Thommo
 
Good, glad you though of the bar tap, just don't accidently hook it up to your beer tap :p

Has been looking like you are solidly in the "nitrite spike" phase. (better than still waiting for ammonia to drop!)

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Good, glad you though of the bar tap, just don't accidently hook it up to your beer tap :p

Has been looking like you are solidly in the "nitrite spike" phase. (better than still waiting for ammonia to drop!)

~~waterdrop~~


A beer tap would be fantastic! :drool: I want one now :lol:

Yeh the Nitrites are teasing me. Hopefully it should only be a few more days till I see a drop.
 
Hey Thommo :D Looks like were both in the same phase of cycling.. Im hoping you see the drop too so can get some exciting fishies. Mines been at 5+ for atleast 6 days (only got a test 7 days ago, havnt tested yet for today)

But atleast you have ammonia :p Ive been using fish food and wathcing it wrote in my tank. My water is dirty-ish lol :)
Good luck mate!
Keep us posted :)

Indir
 
sounds like your making good progress thommo :good:

patience is the hardest part of cycling!
 
Water Test Update

12 Hours after Ammonia added to 5ppm

Temp of water = 29.6
Am = 0 :good:
Ni = 5+ :X
Na = 15
Ph = 7.4

I find it interesting that I managed to cycle my tank in 3 weeks at 3ppm and I thought that going to 5ppm would only take a little bit extra as the colony was already established and only had to beef itself up a bit more. Obvioulsy I was wrong. I will have been almost 3 weeks now at 5ppm. Interesting. :fish:

CHEERS
Thommo
 
A small suggestion. If you drop back down to 3 ppm and check the cycle, it may still be good at that level. If so, you would be safe to use a light fish stocking and just wait a month or two for the tank to settle in before getting any more fish. The 5 ppm is pretty arbitrary but my suspicion is that the 3 ppm would not truly test out as done or, as you said, the 5 ppm would have been established by now. I sometimes change my fish load that much in a weekend and never see any problems with it. Another possibility is that you just don't have enough biomedia to get a 5 ppm colony going. In that case, your existing filter may be doing all that can be expected and the need for more media has become limiting.
 
Thanks Oldman47,

I got the wife to check the nitrites lastnight which would be 24 hours after the dose of 5ppm and the reading was 0 :good: . So hopefully no too much longer to go.

Unfortunatly I'm getting my fish from a guy from work who is taking down his tank for a very reasonable price so the tank would be fairly well stocked when I add them. I'll stick it out for a little longer and see how I go. Otherwise I might have to do a suggested.

CHEERS
Thommo
 
Water Test Update

12 Hours after Ammonia added to 5ppm

Temp of water = 29.6
Am = 0 :good:
Ni = 5+ :sad:
Na = 15
Ph = 7.4

Getting there.

CHEERS
Thommo
 
Hehe keep sticking it out mate, your almost home :) Mine recently droped below 5 nitrites and i was pumped but still gotta wait for 0 lol. Just keep it up mate :) Good luck!

Indir
 
water updates

2/2/09
Readings after 12 hours were:

Ph = 7.4
Am = 0
Ni = 5+
Na = 20

Readings after 15.5 hours

Ph = 7.7
Am = 0
Ni = 0.75
Na = 10

Still putting in 5ppm is that correct or do I drop it down to 3ppm now that I'm in the last phaze? I think I read something to that effect.

CHEERS
Thommo
 
Another quick update

Readings after 12.5 hours

Water Temp 29.1
Am = 0
Ni = 1
Na = 10
Ph = 7.4

Almost!

I have been doing some more reading about fishless cycling and I suspect that I may already be cycled due to the fact that I have been doing this for such a long time compared to a standard cycle that I had a large back log of nitrItes. Started in November. Unfortunately I am unable to do a water change as I'm not home at the moment but I have my suspicions that when I do I will not see any nitrites again.

Anyway figers crossed

CHEERS
Thommo
 
Always enjoy when you post, imagining one of those truckers racing across the unending middle of Australia with no other living soul for thousands of miles and clouds of dust rising (we have TV shows of that up here for entertainment I guess) and you in there trying to control your fishless cycle by texting your wife back home while you steer the big truck with your feet or something. (anyway, thought you might enjoy that image.)

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Always enjoy when you post, imagining one of those truckers racing across the unending middle of Australia with no other living soul for thousands of miles and clouds of dust rising (we have TV shows of that up here for entertainment I guess) and you in there trying to control your fishless cycle by texting your wife back home while you steer the big truck with your feet or something. (anyway, thought you might enjoy that image.)

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:lol: :lol: :lol: It's something like that. Except you missed the bit about the ruggedly handsom truck driver :lol: :lol:

I'm actually work in the bottom left corner of Queensland. Lets just say there in't too much to see except gibber(rock) plains and cows(god knows what they eat)
In summer it is pretty warm, and if you like flies its ok. Yes and lots of dust.
I live in Adelaide but at the moment it is actually hotter there(38 C) than here(37). We are the sunburnt country B-).

I'm actually at a Gas processing plant in the middle of no where trying to control my cycle by emailing my wife backwards and fowards :hey:

Sorry to burst the vision.
 
sunburnt country, i had to struggle to get my little micra to and from work the last few days in 10" of snow. :rolleyes:

fancy a swap!
 

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