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no, i know that lol( i just read it back, and it does look like i was waiting for some to appear lol), i was just saying that the fish dont have them ( red gills)today has been good as far as no losses goes,


shelagh xxx
 
Sterazin is a broad spectrum anti-parasite med, that takes out protazoan, cartesan and some worm infections :good: It wouldn't be effective against bacterial infections. :no:

It sounds like Sterazin is starting to work it's magic, so I'd stick with it at this point :nod: It takes a few days for any med to take effect, just give it chance.

All the best
Rabbut
 
tetra linz, it seems to be one thing after another, i seriously think think it beacause im always fussing about changing water, or doing something,i have cut back on maintenence on all my tanks now ( not to the opposite extreme, but no more 2 times a week wc etc)

anyway yes, its all looking good now, one more thing tho, what on earth is this horrible blue/green stringy algae that has totally invaded the tank??( is it cyanobacteria) its growing off the java moss and all the decs in there and the floor. could this have been due to the meds?? and how do i get rid of it.
ill do a water test later, but not sure how useful that will be half way through treatment?

shelagh xxx
 
OH FLIPPIN ECK !! it never rains it always pours.
that link isnt working
ill take out the decs and gravel vac .and will starve them for a few days. maybe wrap something round the tank to keep the light out??
and just so you dont forget, i really appreciate your help, in this very on going problem, you must have the paitence of a saint :angel:
 
Cynobacteria is caursed by one of the following;

excess nitrate
Excess phosphate
not enough flow over the substrate
insufficient oxygen levels at the substrate (possible as you are using a formaldehyde based med)
too much light.

Nobody knows the exact caurse(es) ATM, and a few million is currently being spent on research into the field by a few governments whom are looking to prodect their reef systems are the moment, but I believe that must of that information will be able to be transfered to the freshwater area of the hobby.

Cynobacteria is a bacteria, so try to keep levels of clenliness up. Black-outs may give temperary relaef, but won't be permanant. Excess feeding may also bring it on.

horrible blue/green stringy algae
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Good news is you aren't dealing with cynobacteria. Cyno is a slime type agea, not a hairy one. A few fish will eat this, and is healthy to see in planted tnaks (in moderation) but if it is excessive, you will need to manually remove. Sorry, I don't know what caurses it :sad:

All the best
Rabbut
 
ah right, well i know the water quality was good before i started treatment, and have done about 30% WC today ( only with a gravel vac, not an intended WC) seem to have gotten rid of most of the green/blue now, i took out the java moss, and scrubbed the ornaments in old tank water, gave the whole tank a good wipe down with filter wool.lights are off and staying off for a while now,
the tank is a aqua 620T so its tall,hence NO movement over the subsrtate at all. its all at the surface about 3 ft up, there is a bubble wall an inch off the floor, but dont spose that makes any diffrence, then theres 2 filters running(trickle and fluval4+)and an airstone within a castle dec ,so planty of movement just none on the floor.
i may have been guilty of minor over feeding but defo not 3 times a day etc.
its a relief to know its not cynobacteria,thats would have been me finished i think, and it was defo stringy,and most of it out now, so hope it stays a away.
have just seen a balloon molly flicking, but treatment is in hand so will have to see what happens.tho overall the tank looks well on the road to recovery ... fingers X`ed
thankyou rabbut
shelagh xxx
 
While Rabbut is right, inasmuch as cyanobacteria being a form of bacteria, it's also known as blue-green algae, and there are a few different strains - some of which, as mentioned above, are dangerous to fish.

Cyanobacteria

He's also wrong about the causes of algae being unknown - excess light, nutrients, overfeeding and overcrowding all contribute to excess nitrate and phosphates - which cause an algae bloom, so the best thing you can do, is remove any food left uneaten after roughly 3 minutes.

Shelagh; Leave the tank lights off for a few days, reduce feeding, and whenever you carry out a water change, (recommend once a week), clean the gravel. :)
 
TetraLinz said:
While Rabbut is right, inasmuch as cyanobacteria being a form of bacteria, it's also known as blue-green algae, and there are a few different strains - some of which, as mentioned above, are dangerous to fish.
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Sorry shagle, but I belive part of another thread is spilling into your at this point. Things are about to get a little heated I suspect..

TetraLins, quote where I disputed the fact that cynobacteria isn't harmful to fish. I diden't say it wasen't, I just said that this is not what shagle is dealing with. Shagle has hair or beard algea.

Cyanobacteria

He's also wrong about the causes of algae being unknown - excess light, nutrients, overfeeding and overcrowding all contribute to excess nitrate and phosphates - which cause an algae bloom, so the best thing you can do, is remove any food left uneaten after roughly 3 minutes.

Shelagh; Leave the tank lights off for a few days, reduce feeding, and whenever you carry out a water change, (recommend once a week), clean the gravel. :)
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Show me a referenced source that shows that cynobacteria caurses are known. Why would governments waste money researching cynobacteria caurses, if they already knew the caurses?? It makes no sence...

Even if shagle ws dealing with cynobacteria, reducing feeding and turning off the lights would only bring temporary releafe, as yo uwouldn't have nailed the exact caurse. The bacteria would go doemant and flare up again as soon as conditions became favorable again :sad:

Anyhow, once showing me the exidence for cynobacteria caurses, please lets move on to dealing with shagles problem re: hair algea This can be done by also giving me the caurses of this organisum. I'm sure you won't be offended but I'd like to see your evidence for caurses for this also, though I'm not as concerned for the authors being taceable this time...

All the best
Rabbut
 
please dont let this get heated on my account, i DID bring that name from another thread,as it sounded familiar to mine, although i gave my description of what mine looked like. for now the tank is again beautiful and clear and i will leave the lights off and if it flares up again then i will have to look into it further
wish i had taken a photo of it now. it is NOT whats in the wiki thingy picture, it was more like flowing hair, both growing off a sheet across the floor and off the java moss...........just had a google and found hair algae, and yes im thinking its that, and was infact stained by the sterazin, hence making it blue/green.( i didnt think of that before!!)

right ill leave you two to debate this .
shelagh xxx
 
The heating may not happen, it was just something I suspect is comming, as me and TetraLines have been having a disscussion in another thread and kind of aren't in each others good books ATM :shifty: It's nothing to do with you Shagle, hence why I was appologising :blush:

All the best
Rabbut
 
well its nine days in and the tank seems to be doing fine, havent lost anymore fish,successfully got rid of the algae so far,thers nothing gasping or looking ill,
i still have 1 more day of treatment to carry out but im definatley thinking the worst is over :)
tetralinz,wilder and rabbut... thankyou ever so much,you have been fantastic throughout, this was the most major illness ive dealt with to date, i wouldnt wish this on anyone, but if they do happen to get it, with this advise they will certainly be in safe hands, a massive thankyou to all of you.
shelagh xxxxxxxxx
 
Glad there on the mend.
Once you finished the med I think I woud do another round of treatment in two weeks time.
flukes are very hard to get rid of
as some are egg layers, the med will kill the adult but you have to catch the young once they hatch, or the process
just starts all over again.

Flubenol been taken off the market but they advised with flukes to do a treatment once a week for four weeks to kill the parasite once it hatched.
 
yes ill certainly do that, its a horrible illness, and i certainly want to make sure its completley gone.so ill check the date and do as you say
shelagh xxx
 
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