-germ-
Rheophilic....
Angel fish can contract hole in the head....
Fact.
Is feeding your fish undefrosted frozen food potentially fatal?
Fact.
Is feeding your fish undefrosted frozen food potentially fatal?
Fact Or Fiction
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andywg
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Unproved. I am unaware of any definite proof that will happen. I always feed unfrozen and have had no problems. I contest that any evidence will be circumstantial so you cannot confirm it as fact.
-germ-
Rheophilic....
Surely undefrosted frozen food, is frozen food, not unfrozen erm...
Well yeah, frozen food is potentially deadly to small fish and fry, the ice crystals if swallowed can pierce their stomachs...
Its happened before!
Anyway chill winston
-germ-
Rheophilic....
Nope. Fiction. 125gal minimum, researched though so go again if you want....
andywg
Bored into leaving
Provide me proof that that has happened.Surely undefrosted frozen food, is frozen food, not unfrozen erm...
Well yeah, frozen food is potentially deadly to small fish and fry, the ice crystals if swallowed can pierce their stomachs...
Its happened before!
Anyway chill winston
The "ice crystals in the stomach" is one of the great unsupported myths of fishkeeping.
What next? Claims that stunting causes the organs to continue growing?
You can't do a fact or fiction and then just produce your opinion and claim it is fact.
ArauraDiscus
Fish Addict
Well when thinking of mollies, think of it this way. They naturally like brackish water. Cory's in nature tend to like alkaline water I believe. But they can live from a range of ph 5.0 to 8.0 and be pretty happy. Thats seemingly resembles the mollies plight. By all means dont get me wrong, they all prefer bracksih water the most, but are very adaptable enough IMO to still leave productive lives in a fresher or saltier water.
Basically if a fish breeds, it is happy enough with it's environmental situation, and is stress free enough to devote time to breeding. Mollies will breed in fresh, bracksih, and I'm not sure, but possibly salt water. So while it's not the optimum, they are still able to be fairly happy apparently.
Basically if a fish breeds, it is happy enough with it's environmental situation, and is stress free enough to devote time to breeding. Mollies will breed in fresh, bracksih, and I'm not sure, but possibly salt water. So while it's not the optimum, they are still able to be fairly happy apparently.
andywg
Bored into leaving
Indeed.
It seems, from reading nmonks' posts (or should that be nomks's?), that the conditions most mollies desire is hard alkaline water. the reason adding marine salt helps is because the marine salt buffers the wtare towards higher hardenss and an alakaline pH.
I would expect to see many people having great success keeping and breeding mollies in hard alkaline water.
It all depends on the inhabitants and the future plans for the tank.
-germ-
Rheophilic....
Andy, i'm struggling to find any evidence to support my claim.
Therefore i can't consider it fact, but neither can you confirm it is fictional.
Though without evidence, i agree, a myth it is, until proven outright.
Nice thing i found though is that due to greater damage to the foods in question when frozen the food tends to release a higher amount of nutrients into the aquarium, scientifically proven, if not obvious, which leads to an increase in bacterial build up thereby endangering your fish via illnesses resulting from the proliferation of bacteria in the water.
I don't have the time to search the net tonight, but i'm sure there'll be a scientific paper out there covering ice damage to stomachs. Either for or against.
I'll try and find solid evidence at some point.
Your quite confrontational. Anyone who has 'a bully' used on their profile as you have obviously has a few issues, perhaps this link may help....
A little help.
Bring on the bannage...
Therefore i can't consider it fact, but neither can you confirm it is fictional.
Though without evidence, i agree, a myth it is, until proven outright.
Nice thing i found though is that due to greater damage to the foods in question when frozen the food tends to release a higher amount of nutrients into the aquarium, scientifically proven, if not obvious, which leads to an increase in bacterial build up thereby endangering your fish via illnesses resulting from the proliferation of bacteria in the water.
I don't have the time to search the net tonight, but i'm sure there'll be a scientific paper out there covering ice damage to stomachs. Either for or against.
I'll try and find solid evidence at some point.
Your quite confrontational. Anyone who has 'a bully' used on their profile as you have obviously has a few issues, perhaps this link may help....
A little help.
Bring on the bannage...
andywg
Bored into leaving
But this is exactly my problem. You have stated it is fact without any basis to back it up, yet when I point out why it is not fact you have to agree with me that it is a myth; just like God.
A "bacterial build up"? Which bacteria? It wouldn't, per chance, be a similar type of bacteria which we cultivate in our filter to deal with nitrogenous waste, would it? Obviously we can't comment because you haven't included (or your source didn't state) exaclt ywhich bacteria it is that are coming into the tank. But hey, don't let a lack of evidence and information stop you from stating things as fact now
Your comment on frozen foods and "bacteria" which is "scientifically proven" (without any supporting evidence here) to lead to "an increase in bacterial build up thereby endangering your fish via illness from proliferation of bacteria in the water" seems to refer to all frozen foods, and as such is not relevant to the original point of feeding still frozen food to fish and the formation of ice crystals in the fish.
As a quick point, one would not see ice crystals form in the fish until their body temperature hits close to 0 degrees C. It is unlikely most fish are going to be able to consume enough frozen food quickly enough to lower any tissues down to that level when the ambient temperature of both body and surroundings is so much higher.
Nope, no issues here, just using a humorous comment from an idiot some months, if not years, ago. Once people back up "facts" with evidence I will be far less confrontational.
lol if you mean the Goldfish, its Fiction.
-germ-
Rheophilic....
I'd argue that comparing the ridiculous (IMHO) concept of the divine to frozen food in fish is taking your argument rather far.....
But sounds enjoyable to get a li'l puerile
As you can see i'm open to learning something new, as in the answer i gave IS a myth, a myth does not however mean that it is a fiction or untrue; it merely means it has no supporting evidence, which in itself is a myth as neither of us can state, without doubt, that the whole ice crystal piercing the stomach idea hasn't been proven elsewhere, without our knowledge.
Surely it would seem obvious that there must have been bad experiences with fry and frozen food to allow this myth to perpetuate.
I'd assume if not the ice crystal idea, then something else.
And as you obviously enjoy being pedantic then perhaps my original post can still be seen as fact, although not my reason for it.
As in all frozen food is potentially fatal to fish via; choking, it being inhabited by parasites etc.
Which although of no concern to the answer i gave, does apply to the question.
Fact.
I have already agreed the reason i gave is (as far as i can tell) a myth, that is called learning! One of the purposes, or as far as i can tell, of this forum?
There is a lot of posts made on here seen as involving 'facts' but science in its constantly evolving state could at any time, disprove or alter these presumed facts (true?) therefore making everything known as scientifically proven to some extent a potential myth.....
But sounds enjoyable to get a li'l puerile
As you can see i'm open to learning something new, as in the answer i gave IS a myth, a myth does not however mean that it is a fiction or untrue; it merely means it has no supporting evidence, which in itself is a myth as neither of us can state, without doubt, that the whole ice crystal piercing the stomach idea hasn't been proven elsewhere, without our knowledge.
Surely it would seem obvious that there must have been bad experiences with fry and frozen food to allow this myth to perpetuate.
I'd assume if not the ice crystal idea, then something else.
And as you obviously enjoy being pedantic then perhaps my original post can still be seen as fact, although not my reason for it.
As in all frozen food is potentially fatal to fish via; choking, it being inhabited by parasites etc.
Which although of no concern to the answer i gave, does apply to the question.
Fact.
I have already agreed the reason i gave is (as far as i can tell) a myth, that is called learning! One of the purposes, or as far as i can tell, of this forum?
There is a lot of posts made on here seen as involving 'facts' but science in its constantly evolving state could at any time, disprove or alter these presumed facts (true?) therefore making everything known as scientifically proven to some extent a potential myth.....
OohFeeshy
It's only forever; not long at all...
If you want to play the game properly, then *technically* it's true. You haven't got a hope in hell of getting a goldfish to grow to 8" in, say, a 1/2g tank.
Shush children. Potentially fatal, maybe, but that's like puting 'Dust- Potentially fatal?'. Of course it is. Everything is potentially fatal.
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