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I currently have a 4 foot tank x 15 inches x 12 inches.

It's been running about a year and my stock includes;

10 neon tetras
Kribensis
Yoyo Loach
2 Pearl Lace Gouramis
Golden Gourami
Congo Tetra
Angelfish
Blue Line Goby
Pair Red Line Dwarf Cichlid
Male Opal Dwarf Cichlid
Male Cockatoo Dwarf Cichlid
Neon Blue Rainbowfish
Galaxy Rasbora
3 Algae Eaters
Blue Swordtail
Female Betta
Royal Gourami

These fish are very peaceful, the only aggression recently involved introducing the Opal and Cockatoo DC's to my established Red Line pair (simply territorial)
I was wondering about finishing my tank off now with one or two pairs of Discus. The general idea I have about the introduction of Discus would be to simply keep the water clean. All my fish seem happy at the moment, but would introducing Discus be one step too far?
 
Discus will last about 10 min in that tank sorry, you dont say how many of each fish you have. TBH the stocking is pretty bad would really look into care sheets for your fish and then you can adjust groups
 
I only have one of each fish, unless a number before states otherwise. Was just asking considering how peaceful the tank currently is

I only have one of each fish, unless a number before states otherwise. Was just asking considering how peaceful the tank currently is
 
Yoyo loaches, tetras, rasboras and rainbowfish are all shoaling fish and should be in groups of 6 as a bare minimum.

Discus also need to be in groups, but are not suitable for your tank anyway.
 
Hate to say it but this is a really overstocked tank and the foot print is not really ideal for all those dwarf cichlids. You also have quite a few schooling fish in single or low numbers.... Since the tank has been going for so short while now I am guessing that some mistakes have left the schools low and just not been replaced.

I would never advise pinning your tank on it as it is not a good way of working it but it is a good loose guide, I am on about the inch per gallon rule and running through your list quickly your up at about 80 inches in a 37 gallon tank - not taking into account of what the Algae Eaters are as if they are plecs that really takes it over....

So I would really look at taking some stuff out and replacing things that are issues in that size tank. But before we start the Discus is a no, tank is not big enough for them and they need special conditions - ie, high temperatures, low ph and very very low nitrate - which you can not always garunte from tap water.

So off your list I would do

4 Red Line Dwarf Cichlid - 1 male, 3 females (Apistos are found in huge groups in the wild and are not really a pairing fish, they are a hareem spawner so you will see much more natural behaviour and taking out the other males in a tank this size are going to increase the lifespan of the group.
2 Pearl Lace Gouramis - though you could go for 1 male 2 females which would work for the top layer of the tank
3 Swordtail - any mix of colours do 1 male to 3 females and you should get some spawning though the other fish could predatate on them but it will just keep the numbers down and stop you getting overstocked too quickly.
8 Neon Blue Rainbowfish
10 Neon Tetras or 15 Galaxy Rasbora
5 Blue Line Goby - Nice fish, recent addition to the hobby in any great numbers, from what I have heard they do well in groups so would be a good idea.


I know you say the tank is peaceful but with that many cichlids and that many gourami in the tank it is kind of in a balanced situation where things could just plainly kick off. You also have fish in there that I dont think are suited to such a small foot print front to back. Also the schooling fish that you dont have a full school need to go I am afraid. The ones I would rehome sooner than later would be

Kribensis - if this one turns violent the Apistos are going to be in trouble
Yoyo Loach - Shoaling fish, also at adult size of 5 inches a group would be too big
Golden Gourami - on the list above I put pearls but any of your gourami would work in a small group of their own species though pearls are the most peaceful and predictable.
Congo Tetra - same as yoyo loach, get big and need a shoal
Angelfish - needs a taller tank as it grows will end up with deformed dorsal, anal and ventral fins
3 Algae Eaters - what species are these? Though few fish called algae eaters are good fish for this tank
Female Betta - similar story to the Gourami, all antaboids are aggressive to each other and it could cause isses
Royal Gourami - same as other gourami comments

Not knowing the ages of these fish as it is a factor with these types of fish as when they come of sexual maturity whether in a breeding situation or not its going to be the issue...


Hope that helps, I know its never fun to have comments like this on a forum but its just trying to help, like I say with so many gourami and cichlids I think big problems will result eventually also some fish are too big and the bio waste of the fish are an issue as things like your gourami and kribs are quite a sizeable fish so are going to impact on your bioload when you are so over stocked.

Wills
 
Thanks for your comments, they're not ideal, but it's help that I appreciate nevertheless. I'll try and cover everything. As for the shoaling fish, my galaxy Rasbora is always swimming with the neon tetras, I was thinking of buying another 5 neons to finish that group off.

My Kribensis doesn't seem to bother with my DC's, 99% of the time is dwells mid-level in my tank, across the top of my bogwood. To make space I'm thinking of clearing my Congo tetra, neon rainbow, my smaller pearl lace (the other is around 5 inches long), my algae eaters and my golden gourami.

As for the algae eaters, there was no Latin name on their tag in the store, they were simply described as 'albino algae eaters'. They were only bought as I had a small algae problem at the time which has now cleared.

For the Yo-Yo loach, could I mix species? E.g. A zebra and blue loach?

Thanks for your comments, the more help I get the better :)
 
When I say not ideal, I mean it's unfortunate my tank is overstocked, I wasn't questioning your knowledge.

When you say footprint, is that the waste levels of my fish? This is only my second tropical tank so I'm not used a lot of the terminology on here.

Thanks again!
 
When I say not ideal, I mean it's unfortunate my tank is overstocked, I wasn't questioning your knowledge.

When you say footprint, is that the waste levels of my fish? This is only my second tropical tank so I'm not used a lot of the terminology on here.

Thanks again!

When I say not ideal, I mean it's unfortunate my tank is overstocked, I wasn't questioning your knowledge.

When you say footprint, is that the waste levels of my fish? This is only my second tropical tank so I'm not used a lot of the terminology on here.

Thanks again!

When I say not ideal, I mean it's unfortunate my tank is overstocked, I wasn't questioning your knowledge.

When you say footprint, is that the waste levels of my fish? This is only my second tropical tank so I'm not used a lot of the terminology on here.

Thanks again!
 
Footprint refers to the length and depth of the tank and ignores the height. As the cichlids live in same level of the tank you are being advised there is not enough floor space to house them all safely where they can each claim their own territory.
 
Is your algae eater a bristlenose plec? http://www.recipeapart.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Albino-Bristlenose-Pleco-2.jpg

Shoaling fish need others of their own kind. You can't mix and match. Zebra loaches need zebra loaches. Galaxy rasboras need galaxy rasboras. That one is swimming with the neons because there is safety in numbers and it has no choice, no other reason.

Don't add yet more neons until you've addressed the needs of the solitary fish in the tank, adding more or returning them as necessary.
 
Juggler75 is right with the foot print - in some cases cichlid compatability can be worked out based on how much territory they will need though that is just a very very rough guide.

With the wasteload of your fish though, your well over what you should have as well and there are some medium sized fish in there that are really contributing a lot of waste to a tank.

The problem with keeping schooling fish singularly is that it really stresses them out, schooling with other species is not uncommon but it is not perfect and does stress them as they just dont know what to do each species have different ways of displaying and different ways of communicating and it just means that at the first sniff of a disease in the tank that fish is much more likely to get ill. So thats kind of the decision you need to make with them, up the school or get rid of the loner.

Same with the Loaches, just stick to one group otherwise you will run into a similar situation as above - if you like Zebras they are much much more suited to life in this tank - just make sure you have a sand substrate or very smooth gravel as sharp gravel can damage their mouths.

The Algae Eaters - turns out they are golden algae eaters which are a nightmare and not worth the hassle that they cause - also grow very large so good choice in rehoming them.

Its totally upto you what you do with the advice you have been given but just be aware that adding more fish to a stressed tank it could just be the thing that pushes the scales and creates problems.

Wills
 
Yoyo loaches, tetras, rasboras and rainbowfish are all shoaling fish and should be in groups of 6 as a bare minimum.Discus also need to be in groups, but are not suitable for your tank anyway.

Big issue with overstocking here unfortunately. Minimum of 8-10 Neons, Minimum of 3 YoYo Loaches, Minimum of 8-10 rasboras.

Big No No to the discus as well unfortunatly :no:

Hate to say it but this is a really overstocked tank and the foot print is not really ideal for all those dwarf cichlids. You also have quite a few schooling fish in single or low numbers.... Since the tank has been going for so short while now I am guessing that some mistakes have left the schools low and just not been replaced. I would never advise pinning your tank on it as it is not a good way of working it but it is a good loose guide, I am on about the inch per gallon rule and running through your list quickly your up at about 80 inches in a 37 gallon tank - not taking into account of what the Algae Eaters are as if they are plecs that really takes it over....So I would really look at taking some stuff out and replacing things that are issues in that size tank. But before we start the Discus is a no, tank is not big enough for them and they need special conditions - ie, high temperatures, low ph and very very low nitrate - which you can not always garunte from tap water. So off your list I would do 4 Red Line Dwarf Cichlid - 1 male, 3 females (Apistos are found in huge groups in the wild and are not really a pairing fish, they are a hareem spawner so you will see much more natural behaviour and taking out the other males in a tank this size are going to increase the lifespan of the group. 2 Pearl Lace Gouramis - though you could go for 1 male 2 females which would work for the top layer of the tank3 Swordtail - any mix of colours do 1 male to 3 females and you should get some spawning though the other fish could predatate on them but it will just keep the numbers down and stop you getting overstocked too quickly. 8 Neon Blue Rainbowfish 10 Neon Tetras or 15 Galaxy Rasbora5 Blue Line Goby - Nice fish, recent addition to the hobby in any great numbers, from what I have heard they do well in groups so would be a good idea. I know you say the tank is peaceful but with that many cichlids and that many gourami in the tank it is kind of in a balanced situation where things could just plainly kick off. You also have fish in there that I dont think are suited to such a small foot print front to back. Also the schooling fish that you dont have a full school need to go I am afraid. The ones I would rehome sooner than later would be Kribensis - if this one turns violent the Apistos are going to be in troubleYoyo Loach - Shoaling fish, also at adult size of 5 inches a group would be too bigGolden Gourami - on the list above I put pearls but any of your gourami would work in a small group of their own species though pearls are the most peaceful and predictable. Congo Tetra - same as yoyo loach, get big and need a shoalAngelfish - needs a taller tank as it grows will end up with deformed dorsal, anal and ventral fins3 Algae Eaters - what species are these? Though few fish called algae eaters are good fish for this tankFemale Betta - similar story to the Gourami, all antaboids are aggressive to each other and it could cause issesRoyal Gourami - same as other gourami commentsNot knowing the ages of these fish as it is a factor with these types of fish as when they come of sexual maturity whether in a breeding situation or not its going to be the issue...Hope that helps, I know its never fun to have comments like this on a forum but its just trying to help, like I say with so many gourami and cichlids I think big problems will result eventually also some fish are too big and the bio waste of the fish are an issue as things like your gourami and kribs are quite a sizeable fish so are going to impact on your bioload when you are so over stocked.Wills

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Is your algae eater a bristlenose plec? http://www.recipeapart.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Albino-Bristlenose-Pleco-2.jpgShoaling fish need others of their own kind. You can't mix and match. Zebra loaches need zebra loaches. Galaxy rasboras need galaxy rasboras. That one is swimming with the neons because there is safety in numbers and it has no choice, no other reason.Don't add yet more neons until you've addressed the needs of the solitary fish in the tank, adding more or returning them as necessary.

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Right, taking into consideration all your views, I've caught some fish from my tank which I will be handing into the local fish store;

Congo Tetra
Kribensis
Neon Rainbowfish
3 Algae Eaters.

In terms of helping to clean the tank, will my remaining stock be okay with shrimp or snails? I was worried about my loach tearing snails apart but at my local shop today I saw a group of Zebra Loaches in the same tank as Gold Apple snails.

Any suggestions on this?
 

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