Clown Loach Question

[LakeyGal]

Myxazin would be OK as a just in case as it will deal with fungus / bacteria. Start with half the recommended dose and monitor the effect on the clown, then if the clown seems OK give the second half of the dose 12 hours later and monitor the loach again.

It is hard to offer a really sound treatment without seeing the fish, I still think this fish is depressed/lonely and therefore stressed.

If you are near the Wirral there is a chap who has many smaller ones at the moment but he won't post you will need to collect.

There is also a company advertising clown Loaches on E-Bay who will post.

ok thanks

i hve bought some catfish sinking pelets for him to eat as i was feeding him flake food and was told that it wasnt the right food to feed him
hw does not seem to be eating
how can i get him to eat something

You may find he likes blood worm, snails and cucumber, I have a group and they hide until the bloodworm come out then its a frenzy, they darken up after the bloodworm and get paler a day or so after eating it (I give it to them every 3 days) they also come out at night and clear up all the baby MTsnails that appear but all of them turn their noses up at pellets and flakes.
Clowns have a habit of lying in positions that for any normal fish would look like they were on the way out upside down, sideways squished in holes you name it. If he looks proportionally skinny try feeding him up with a meaty food and see if that helps, but definitely lots of hidey holes, some bubbles and some friends see here Trimar theres good reviews about this guy and they have loaches for uk delivery. Careful not to medicate in panic until you know its definitely not just malnutrition which has made him weak and susceptible. Purely based on experiencing my loaches behaviour no medical opinion offered (although if you've had him eating for 3 years only for him to stop now it may be bacterial or parasitic...)

 

[carolg]

Myxazin would be OK as a just in case as it will deal with fungus / bacteria. Start with half the recommended dose and monitor the effect on the clown, then if the clown seems OK give the second half of the dose 12 hours later and monitor the loach again.

It is hard to offer a really sound treatment without seeing the fish, I still think this fish is depressed/lonely and therefore stressed.

If you are near the Wirral there is a chap who has many smaller ones at the moment but he won't post you will need to collect.

There is also a company advertising clown Loaches on E-Bay who will post.

ok thanks

i hve bought some catfish sinking pelets for him to eat as i was feeding him flake food and was told that it wasnt the right food to feed him
hw does not seem to be eating
how can i get him to eat something

I will try and post a picture.


You may find he likes blood worm, snails and cucumber, I have a group and they hide until the bloodworm come out then its a frenzy, they darken up after the bloodworm and get paler a day or so after eating it (I give it to them every 3 days) they also come out at night and clear up all the baby MTsnails that appear but all of them turn their noses up at pellets and flakes.
Clowns have a habit of lying in positions that for any normal fish would look like they were on the way out upside down, sideways squished in holes you name it. If he looks proportionally skinny try feeding him up with a meaty food and see if that helps, but definitely lots of hidey holes, some bubbles and some friends see here Trimar theres good reviews about this guy and they have loaches for uk delivery. Careful not to medicate in panic until you know its definitely not just malnutrition which has made him weak and susceptible. Purely based on experiencing my loaches behaviour no medical opinion offered (although if you've had him eating for 3 years only for him to stop now it may be bacterial or parasitic...)

can you tell me how to add pictures, i tries uploading a couple but it said it was larger than the available space.

he is not eating at all
i put some cucumber in yesterday and it is floating on the top.
i think it is skinny disease because you can see his bones on his head.

please help me.

 

[carolg]

Myxazin would be OK as a just in case as it will deal with fungus / bacteria. Start with half the recommended dose and monitor the effect on the clown, then if the clown seems OK give the second half of the dose 12 hours later and monitor the loach again.It is hard to offer a really sound treatment without seeing the fish, I still think this fish is depressed/lonely and therefore stressed.If you are near the Wirral there is a chap who has many smaller ones at the moment but he won't post you will need to collect.There is also a company advertising clown Loaches on E-Bay who will post.

ok thanksi hve bought some catfish sinking pelets for him to eat as i was feeding him flake food and was told that it wasnt the right food to feed himhw does not seem to be eatinghow can i get him to eat something

I will try and post a picture.You may find he likes blood worm, snails and cucumber, I have a group and they hide until the bloodworm come out then its a frenzy, they darken up after the bloodworm and get paler a day or so after eating it (I give it to them every 3 days) they also come out at night and clear up all the baby MTsnails that appear but all of them turn their noses up at pellets and flakes.Clowns have a habit of lying in positions that for any normal fish would look like they were on the way out upside down, sideways squished in holes you name it. If he looks proportionally skinny try feeding him up with a meaty food and see if that helps, but definitely lots of hidey holes, some bubbles and some friends see here Trimar theres good reviews about this guy and they have loaches for uk delivery. Careful not to medicate in panic until you know its definitely not just malnutrition which has made him weak and susceptible. Purely based on experiencing my loaches behaviour no medical opinion offered (although if you've had him eating for 3 years only for him to stop now it may be bacterial or parasitic...)

can you tell me how to add pictures, i tries uploading a couple but it said it was larger than the available space.he is not eating at alli put some cucumber in yesterday and it is floating on the top.i think it is skinny disease because you can see his bones on his head.please help me.

Myxazin would be OK as a just in case as it will deal with fungus / bacteria. Start with half the recommended dose and monitor the effect on the clown, then if the clown seems OK give the second half of the dose 12 hours later and monitor the loach again.It is hard to offer a really sound treatment without seeing the fish, I still think this fish is depressed/lonely and therefore stressed.If you are near the Wirral there is a chap who has many smaller ones at the moment but he won't post you will need to collect.There is also a company advertising clown Loaches on E-Bay who will post.

ok thanksi hve bought some catfish sinking pelets for him to eat as i was feeding him flake food and was told that it wasnt the right food to feed himhw does not seem to be eatinghow can i get him to eat something

I will try and post a picture.You may find he likes blood worm, snails and cucumber, I have a group and they hide until the bloodworm come out then its a frenzy, they darken up after the bloodworm and get paler a day or so after eating it (I give it to them every 3 days) they also come out at night and clear up all the baby MTsnails that appear but all of them turn their noses up at pellets and flakes.Clowns have a habit of lying in positions that for any normal fish would look like they were on the way out upside down, sideways squished in holes you name it. If he looks proportionally skinny try feeding him up with a meaty food and see if that helps, but definitely lots of hidey holes, some bubbles and some friends see here Trimar theres good reviews about this guy and they have loaches for uk delivery. Careful not to medicate in panic until you know its definitely not just malnutrition which has made him weak and susceptible. Purely based on experiencing my loaches behaviour no medical opinion offered (although if you've had him eating for 3 years only for him to stop now it may be bacterial or parasitic...)

can you tell me how to add pictures, i tries uploading a couple but it said it was larger than the available space.he is not eating at alli put some cucumber in yesterday and it is floating on the top.i think it is skinny disease because you can see his bones on his head.please help me.

I managed to get picture on, there not in the right place but never mind.

 

[Jabba]

He's skinny but I've seen worse, small amount of fin damage but not enough to worry about.

He seems to be trying to find something to eat in the picture where he is in the corner, put some flake in and let it sink because he may be so used to it he disregards the other stuff.

The cucumber must sink or he will ignore it, trap one side of it under a rock or something if he pulls it out just put it back, don't leave the cucumber im longer than 24 hours.

He will prefer meaty things though - clown loaches are not herbivores they eat mostly meat - snails, insect larvae etc etc

I shouldn't say this and I will likely get flamed for it but mine like cat food .... the stuff that comes as moist pellets in foil pouches ... especially the fishy ones.

 

[carolg]

He's skinny but I've seen worse, small amount of fin damage but not enough to worry about.He seems to be trying to find something to eat in the picture where he is in the corner, put some flake in and let it sink because he may be so used to it he disregards the other stuff.The cucumber must sink or he will ignore it, trap one side of it under a rock or something if he pulls it out just put it back, don't leave the cucumber im longer than 24 hours.He will prefer meaty things though - clown loaches are not herbivores they eat mostly meat - snails, insect larvae etc etcI shouldn't say this and I will likely get flamed for it but mine like cat food .... the stuff that comes as moist pellets in foil pouches ... especially the fishy ones.

he seems to be floating around the top now, so i put some food and the cucumber next to him, but he just ignored it.I havent got any meaty food to give him.

He's skinny but I've seen worse, small amount of fin damage but not enough to worry about.He seems to be trying to find something to eat in the picture where he is in the corner, put some flake in and let it sink because he may be so used to it he disregards the other stuff.The cucumber must sink or he will ignore it, trap one side of it under a rock or something if he pulls it out just put it back, don't leave the cucumber im longer than 24 hours.He will prefer meaty things though - clown loaches are not herbivores they eat mostly meat - snails, insect larvae etc etcI shouldn't say this and I will likely get flamed for it but mine like cat food .... the stuff that comes as moist pellets in foil pouches ... especially the fishy ones.

he seems to be floating around the top now, so i put some food and the cucumber next to him, but he just ignored it.I havent got any meaty food to give him.

I dont think he is interested in eating anything,i am very worried.

 

[Jabba]

Floating around the top is real bad news, this is totally abnormal for a Clown Loach it could be due to being stressed but there is no time left to debate this, if you don't have an airstone get one in there ASAP and run it flat out, the bigger the better, I think you have no choice but treat this now as a bacterial / parasitic infection to delay could prove fatal, if he is floating around the surface there is no time left to hypothesise, there is no guarantee that the medication will change anything but the options have run out and you must go with what you have - be prepared it may already be too late - just don't give up.

If you have an airstone get another or increase the airflow, if you don't then get one ASAP, do a 50% water change making sure to treat the water properly with Aquasafe or similar to remove Chlorine, then dose the tank with your Myxazin with 50% of the recommended daily dose to start and monitor the fish closely, if he still seems OK in 6 hours add the remaining 50% of the daily dose and monitor again.

Never add a 100% of the daily dose inone go - always do it in two halves equally spread in the day.

Then it is a waiting game.

 

[carolg]

Floating around the top is real bad news, this is totally abnormal for a Clown Loach it could be due to being stressed but there is no time left to debate this, if you don't have an airstone get one in there ASAP and run it flat out, the bigger the better, I think you have no choice but treat this now as a bacterial / parasitic infection to delay could prove fatal, if he is floating around the surface there is no time left to hypothesise, there is no guarantee that the medication will change anything but the options have run out and you must go with what you have - be prepared it may already be too late - just don't give up.

If you have an airstone get another or increase the airflow, if you don't then get one ASAP, do a 50% water change making sure to treat the water properly with Aquasafe or similar to remove Chlorine, then dose the tank with your Myxazin with 50% of the recommended daily dose to start and monitor the fish closely, if he still seems OK in 6 hours add the remaining 50% of the daily dose and monitor again.

Never add a 100% of the daily dose inone go - always do it in two halves equally spread in the day.

Then it is a waiting game.

I Have an irstone in on full power, it has always been on full power.

I changed 25% of the water this afternoon when i came back from work. and added 20 drops of kings british bacterial control,
i put the cucumber under a rock and he was practically lying on top of it and he wasnt bothered about it.
i treat the water with stress coat.

 

[Jabba]

Then it is a waiting game I'm afraid ....

Try something meaty - see if you can get some frozen bloodworm ...

 

[carolg]

Then it is a waiting game I'm afraid ....

Try something meaty - see if you can get some frozen bloodworm ...

what kind of meaty products do you suggest.
i will get some frozen bloodworms tomorrow

 

[Jabba]

Bloodworm is only second to snails for the clown loach diet, in fact they like any waterborne larvae but it is hard to get such things from an aquatic shop, you can even offer them small earthworms providing the ground has not been recently treated with anything, I have even given mine cat food (the one that comes in the little foil pouches that is moist but not soaking).

Some offer brine shrimp but I think the nutritional value of them doesn't justify the hassle.

If he won't take bloodworm he is sick for sure.

 

[carolg]

Bloodworm is only second to snails for the clown loach diet, in fact they like any waterborne larvae but it is hard to get such things from an aquatic shop, you can even offer them small earthworms providing the ground has not been recently treated with anything, I have even given mine cat food (the one that comes in the little foil pouches that is moist but not soaking).Some offer brine shrimp but I think the nutritional value of them doesn't justify the hassle.If he won't take bloodworm he is sick for sure.

you said to add Myxazin, i do not have this , i have kings british bacterial control.Hve added it today and it says to add again in 4 days.should i change water tomorrow and add more.

Bloodworm is only second to snails for the clown loach diet, in fact they like any waterborne larvae but it is hard to get such things from an aquatic shop, you can even offer them small earthworms providing the ground has not been recently treated with anything, I have even given mine cat food (the one that comes in the little foil pouches that is moist but not soaking).Some offer brine shrimp but I think the nutritional value of them doesn't justify the hassle.If he won't take bloodworm he is sick for sure.

you said to add Myxazin, i do not have this , i have kings british bacterial control.Hve added it today and it says to add again in 4 days.should i change water tomorrow and add more.

I will get a packet of fresh bloodworms tomorrow, how many should i give him

 

[Jabba]

No you shouldn't do water changes during treatment.

King british products are generally very good -I keep a bottle of their WS3 in the cupboard just in case the dreaded ich should show its horrid self.

for anti bacterial / anti fungal I have had success with many.

Melafix and Pimafix together work extremely well and do not adversly affect loaches.

Myxazin is a more 'man made' chamical solution to the same sort of problems (bacteria and fungus), it can sometimes affect younger loaches but generaly is OK.

I also have used eSHA 2000 on one occasion.

I have no personal experience with the King British anti bacterial with my Loaches so I can't comfortably recommend it - others here may be able to, I'm not saying it is no good - I just have no experience with it.

PPS : I have just done some reading of the King British product you have and I really don't think it is the best you could do, it seems more aimed at preventing the sickness than curing it once present - you may be better off with the King British 'Disease Clear' although again I have no experience with it.

 

[carolg]

No you shouldn't do water changes during treatment.

King british products are generally very good -I keep a bottle of their WS3 in the cupboard just in case the dreaded ich should show its horrid self.

for anti bacterial / anti fungal I have had success with many.

Melafix and Pimafix together work extremely well and do not adversly affect loaches.

Myxazin is a more 'man made' chamical solution to the same sort of problems (bacteria and fungus), it can sometimes affect younger loaches but generaly is OK.

I also have used eSHA 2000 on one occasion.

I have no personal experience with the King British anti bacterial with my Loaches so I can't comfortably recommend it - others here may be able to, I'm not saying it is no good - I just have no experience with it.

I saw some of that melafix at pets at home yesterday but didnt know what it was for.

so should i just leave the water for 4 days till the next time i have to put more bacterial control in the water.
what if that doesnt work and i want to try melafix, should i change the water then add it.

 

[Jabba]

Yes, change at least 50% of the water before starting another, you really don't want to be making a chemical soup ...

Melafix is OK but works better if you use Melafix and Pimafix together.

 

[carolg]

Yes, change at least 50% of the water before starting another, you really don't want to be making a chemical soup ...

Melafix is OK but works better if you use Melafix and Pimafix together.

i have just ordered these 2 products from ebay.

can you tell me when to use them and how much.