Cloudy Water

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Hi

I have a 28l tank, the water was stress coated and then it was suggested i add some hardy fish so 6 penguin tetra were added and a few days later 4 serpae tetra were added. i have stopped at that for now as i was told the nitrogen cycle needs to take place before i add anymore, my problem is the water is cloudy.. is this a natural part of the process and will it clear up?? i also have another post under tetras together regarding my fish behaviour if anyone can help..

Thanks :good:
 
Hi

I have a 28l tank, the water was stress coated and then it was suggested i add some hardy fish so 6 penguin tetra were added and a few days later 4 serpae tetra were added. i have stopped at that for now as i was told the nitrogen cycle needs to take place before i add anymore, my problem is the water is cloudy.. is this a natural part of the process and will it clear up?? i also have another post under tetras together regarding my fish behaviour if anyone can help..

Thanks :good:

I am affraid your petshop gave you some very bad addvice awful infact. Do a water change.

read fishless cycling and return the fish
 
So the only thing i can do is take the fish back?? can you explain why this is?? if they are left in there will they die??

Thanks :good:
 
Yes they will die. Tetras are not fish to cycle with. If you insist on cycling with fish then you should use zebra danios as they are very hardy but its not advisable as its not very kind to cycle with fish. Because you have no bacteria culture in the tank to break down the harmful ammonia and nirtites which will be produced the fish will suffer.

Best to take them back and fishless cycle which will take approx 4 - 6 weeks - read up here:-

Fishless cycle
 
oh ok...

I have heard that there is something called stress zyme you can add to the water to speed up the process.. does this need to happen with the fish out of the tank or can it happen with them in?? I am very confused as to what is right to do now because i have had so much differing advice i dont know what is right or not!!! All i want to do is have a healthy tank with healthy fish!!!

Help!! :shout:
 
Stress Zyme is usless as there is very little beneficial bacteria at all if any.

I would do a 50% water change straight away and take the fish back asap. Make sure you use a water dechlorinator or you will make things even worse.
 
Thanks!!

I have just reserved a juwel 180 rio tank which i will be pickin up on the 1st october... so i will be cycling that tank and will be sure to get advice here on how to do that successfully (pet shop is useless!!!) One question how long would it take to cycle that 180 litre tank if it is set up on the 1st of october and... is there anyway my current 6 penguin and 4 serpae tetras will survive in my rubbishly cycled tank till the other one is ready so i can transfer them??? :crazy:
 
Thanks!!

I have just reserved a juwel 180 rio tank which i will be pickin up on the 1st october... so i will be cycling that tank and will be sure to get advice here on how to do that successfully (pet shop is useless!!!) One question how long would it take to cycle that 180 litre tank if it is set up on the 1st of october and... is there anyway my current 6 penguin and 4 serpae tetras will survive in my rubbishly cycled tank till the other one is ready so i can transfer them??? :crazy:

about 2 months to cycle. The tetras twice daily water changes of about 30%. Or totally mature filter media from someone elses filter in yours. At least 4 months old media + water changes less often
 
blimey.. so for the next 2 months i need to change the water twice a day to keep them alive for my new tank!! do i need to add the de chlorinator to the new water each time?? sorry but i really want to get this right and keep my first fish alive for sentimental reasons more than anything!! The pet store have really annoyed me as i have found out from here their advice was wrong and now my fish are at risk!!! They told me for my 28 litre to de chlorinate the water then add a shoal of tetra and a few days later i could add more and the cycle would just run its course on its own accord... This time ill take advice from people on here who know!!! So for my new tank i need to do a fishless cycle is that right?? also should i have plants or anything in there during the cycle?? does having the water temp high speed up the cycle and do i add anything to the water bar the de chlorinator.... many thanks to everyone for your advice it is invaluable!! sorry if im asking so many questions!!!!
 
blimey.. so for the next 2 months i need to change the water twice a day to keep them alive for my new tank!! do i need to add the de chlorinator to the new water each time?? sorry but i really want to get this right and keep my first fish alive for sentimental reasons more than anything!! The pet store have really annoyed me as i have found out from here their advice was wrong and now my fish are at risk!!! They told me for my 28 litre to de chlorinate the water then add a shoal of tetra and a few days later i could add more and the cycle would just run its course on its own accord... This time ill take advice from people on here who know!!! So for my new tank i need to do a fishless cycle is that right?? also should i have plants or anything in there during the cycle?? does having the water temp high speed up the cycle and do i add anything to the water bar the de chlorinator.... many thanks to everyone for your advice it is invaluable!! sorry if im asking so many questions!!!!

buy yourself a liquid test kit inorder to test water parameters not a strip one
ammonia
nitite
nitrate

then water change every time amonia goes up yes you need to add declorinator each time and hot water if the temp will be to greatly changed. Just rehome the fish and cycle your new 180l tank would be much easier or find some media I presume you have a filter and heater

To cycle you need liquid ammonia and a test kit but i am far from an expert having never done it as the tank has been running for so long. There is a guide to fishless cycling on here find it and follow it.
 
Breaking this one down:

blimey.. so for the next 2 months i need to change the water twice a day to keep them alive for my new tank!! do i need to add the de chlorinator to the new water each time??

Usually takes 4-6 weeks for a fish-in cycle. You do need to dechlorinate the new water. Mature tanks can take some chlorine, but cycling tanks you want to treat the bacterial filter with kid gloves.

For both this tank and the new one, you need a liquid based test kit, the API freshwater master kit is one of the most popular. Water changes for the fish-in cycle so that ammonia and nitrIte remain below .25 ppm (nitrAte is ok). You can stop doing them daily and go to a normal weekly maintenance once ammonia and nitrite remain at 0, nitrAte is normal in a cycled tank, though under rare conditions it will also be 0.

The pet store have really annoyed me as i have found out from here their advice was wrong and now my fish are at risk!!! They told me for my 28 litre to de chlorinate the water then add a shoal of tetra and a few days later i could add more and the cycle would just run its course on its own accord... This time ill take advice from people on here who know!!!

There's a lot of love/hate among hobbyists for the pet stores. On one hand, it's the only place to get our stuff, on the other, new hobbyists often think it's the only place to get advice, too. A lot of people get bitten with that thinking, don't be too hard on yourself. The hobby goes through most of its new members, most store employees, and a good few stores themselves inside of a year, so the cycle of bad advice and bad experience in part is perpetuated by the constant flow of newbies on both sides of the transaction.

So for my new tank i need to do a fishless cycle is that right?? also should i have plants or anything in there during the cycle?? does having the water temp high speed up the cycle and do i add anything to the water bar the de chlorinator....many thanks to everyone for your advice it is invaluable!! sorry if im asking so many questions!!!!

Only need to dechlorinate and add ammonia, then do your twice daily tests. Gilli already linked this thread, but I'll throw it in again, as it's the single most useful thread on the whole site, IMO:
http://www.fishforums.net/content/New-to-t...shless-Cycling/

Live plants generally do quite well in a fishless cycle. Ammonia and nitrate are effectively plant food, so they'll probably love it. Having a lot of fast growing plants will speed up the cycle - the bacteria won't grow any faster, but an abundance of plants will use up ammonia in the water and perform as part of the biofilter.
 
Thanks guys!!

Will get the kit and proceed with the water changes and monitor levels... fingers crossed all will be ok :)
 
If I were you I would return them. chances are you will lose many if not all of them and it will be a lot of hard work, but if you are going to keep them then good luck! :good:

One last thing - dont fill hot water from your tap just incase as many boilers that store the hot water will contain traces of copper and the last thing you want is to add more to bad water quality!! Use a boiled kettle.
 

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