Centerpiece Fish For 125l Tank?

[arobinson1984]

A pair of marbled angels!

Rams would be good but need pristine water conditions, nitrates MUST be kept below 20ppm so it would depend on your tap water reading

Andy

She/he has a pH of 7.8-8.0, so rams would not be okay. I don't know about angels, If there are any smaller fish that will fit in an angels mouth, it will eat them. And plus the tank has to be atleast 18" high for angels. And I think angels prefer lowe pH also.

1. Somebody on this forum, I forgot who, keeps rams in ph of 8.2 with no adverse effects, they tend to adapt as long as ph level is stable.

2. The tank is 18"+ in height, although some people argue that 15" is enough, although I don't agree with that! Should be 18" min

3. Op has danios so would be fine with angels

most angels grow to around 6" in height so would have 3x it's height in swimming space, in my opinion they would be ok in a 125l but that would be minimum tank size

Andy

3. The op doesn't have small fish, just zebra danios so would be fine with angels.

 

[Davo86]

a pair of Bolivian Rams, or kribs would be ok
as would a trio of Apisto cacatuoides,
or a single African butterfly Cichlid or Rainbow Cichlid or Firemouth or sajica
or a trio of sailfin mollys
or a single south american puffer

Angels won't mix well with Danios, nor will bettas
i'd also leave out blue rams due to the high ph

 

[meguro]

Firemouth

 

[ZoddyZod]

a pair of Bolivian Rams, or kribs would be ok
as would a trio of Apisto cacatuoides,
or a single African butterfly Cichlid or Rainbow Cichlid or Firemouth or sajica
or a trio of sailfin mollys
or a single south american puffer

Rainbow Cichlid, even though it gets to 13cm? Through a lot of reading I thought that I was really limited to 7.5 - 10cm for the largest fish in a tank this size? Not meaning to be argumentative (as frankly that looks like a wonderful fish!) but just want to be 100% sure that the size is comapatible.

Firemouth - 'can be aggressive towards smaller fish'? and the same size worries as the rainbow. Again, would love something like this in the tank, and thanks for opening up the discussion on the feasibility!

SAF - now you are really exciting me! Love puffers, but everywhere I have read it seems they are best suited to a species tank. However, I may not have specifically been reading about the SAF. Anyone care to discuss?

Apisto cacatuoides- again, had this on the list originally but seems to prefer much softer water?

 

[ZoddyZod]

A pair of marbled angels!

Rams would be good but need pristine water conditions, nitrates MUST be kept below 20ppm so it would depend on your tap water reading

Andy

She/he has a pH of 7.8-8.0, so rams would not be okay. I don't know about angels, If there are any smaller fish that will fit in an angels mouth, it will eat them. And plus the tank has to be atleast 18" high for angels. And I think angels prefer lowe pH also.

1. Somebody on this forum, I forgot who, keeps rams in ph of 8.2 with no adverse effects, they tend to adapt as long as ph level is stable.

2. The tank is 18"+ in height, although some people argue that 15" is enough, although I don't agree with that! Should be 18" min

3. Op has danios so would be fine with angels

most angels grow to around 6" in height so would have 3x it's height in swimming space, in my opinion they would be ok in a 125l but that would be minimum tank size

Andy

3. The op doesn't have small fish, just zebra danios so would be fine with angels.

1 - nitrates are 20ppm from the tap, which keeps the Bolivian Rams in the frame - Have seen GBR at a LFS but understand that they need much lower pH to have a full life.

2 - Some of the angles I have seen in lfs' would look very 'cagged in' in my tank. Are there any 'dwarf' varieties? Maybe the 'Marble' is one?

 

[arobinson1984]

I think the reason they look so caged in is because they normally put many angels in a tank that isn't big enough but it's obviously a temporary measure as most decent fish stores have quite a high turnover of fish.

I personally like the marbled angels, if you wanted angel, you could just go for 1, that way you don't have to worry about a pair not getting on together

Andy

 

[Forestpisces]

Angels will also eat almost any fish they can fit in their mouth

 

[ZoddyZod]

Angels will also eat almost any fish they can fit in their mouth

I dont think a zebra danio would be a mouthful though, they grow to 2" and that's got to be bigger than an angel can handle?

 

[Forestpisces]

You'd be surprised friend of mine lost 3 rummy nose tetras to his fully grown pair and they get to a good 2 inches.

They really do get bigger than people think, we have some in the shop that were brought back because they grew too much they aren't even fully grown.

 

[ZoddyZod]

You'd be surprised friend of mine lost 3 rummy nose tetras to his fully grown pair and they get to a good 2 inches.

They really do get bigger than people think, we have some in the shop that were brought back because they grew too much they aren't even fully grown.

Interesting, you wouldn't think they could manage something that size when you look at them! They were never really something I had thought about to be honest. As I said, I think the tank size is restrictive to them.

 

[Forestpisces]

I agree they like to drift around being all pretty and they just wouldn't have the space to do that.

 

[CKutz]

no angels. it is widely agreed that they should have a tank of 18 inches of higher, the OPs tank is 16.

you have to keep in mind how active those danios are. there's not too many fish that would bother to actually try and catch them i would think.

kribs would work
apistos would work
german blue rams seem too fussy with water and temperature
golden rams would be ok
there's a lot of gourami's that would work well. the dwarf ones would look a bit small in the tank though. you could get one of the bigger species (not the kissing ones though), gold, blue, platinum, w/e they are all the same species i think, just different color morphs

i have kribs in my 30 gal tank. with a gourami. these two often battle though..so i wouldn't really suggest it, although it could be a temperment thing, different gourami might not bother them.

once i realized the kribs had claimed a certain rock in the tank, i just moved the rock to corner to keep them back there and give the other fish as much room as possible. still every now and then the gourami and krib go at it till i yell at them haha
i think the golden rams and apistos might not be as defensive as kribs

other suggestions for intersting fish are loaches, yoyo, zebra, kuhli. or cory's, or a bristlenose or rubblip pleco.

dwarf rainbows would also work i think.

 

[ZoddyZod]

no angels. it is widely agreed that they should have a tank of 18 inches of higher, the OPs tank is 16.

you have to keep in mind how active those danios are. there's not too many fish that would bother to actually try and catch them i would think.

kribs would work
apistos would work
german blue rams seem too fussy with water and temperature
golden rams would be ok
there's a lot of gourami's that would work well. the dwarf ones would look a bit small in the tank though. you could get one of the bigger species (not the kissing ones though), gold, blue, platinum, w/e they are all the same species i think, just different color morphs

i have kribs in my 30 gal tank. with a gourami. these two often battle though..so i wouldn't really suggest it, although it could be a temperment thing, different gourami might not bother them.

once i realized the kribs had claimed a certain rock in the tank, i just moved the rock to corner to keep them back there and give the other fish as much room as possible. still every now and then the gourami and krib go at it till i yell at them haha
i think the golden rams and apistos might not be as defensive as kribs

other suggestions for intersting fish are loaches, yoyo, zebra, kuhli. or cory's, or a bristlenose or rubblip pleco.

dwarf rainbows would also work i think.

Interesting thought on the danios. Certainly fast enough to avoid my camera!

Some good suggestions there.
BNs are on the list as i cant find a reason why they would not be ok in the tank.
Kribs - bit wary about these as I heard they can turn nasty? But lovely fish!
Kuhli I very much like the look of, but I have a gravel (1-3mm size) and they need sand?
Corys are on the list for tank additions (great little active fish - just like my ZB's), but really looking for something a bit larger/colourful for my proposed 'centerpiece'

 

[CKutz]

yea those last few were suggestions for just other fish you might think of adding.

you're right, the khuli's should have sand. so should corys though. it's because those little barbels that fish like that have get sore/rubbed down by digging around in the gravel. the difference with khuli's is that their bodies are much more sensetive to it i think. so cory's would probably be ok, many people do it. but sand is the best for them. or other soft substrate.

if you like dwarf gouramis, they would be fine. but something bigger would be a banded gourami, that would also work.

 

[Davo86]

Rainbow Cichlid, even though it gets to 13cm? Through a lot of reading I thought that I was really limited to 7.5 - 10cm for the largest fish in a tank this size? Not meaning to be argumentative (as frankly that looks like a wonderful fish!) but just want to be 100% sure that the size is comapatible.

Firemouth - 'can be aggressive towards smaller fish'? and the same size worries as the rainbow. Again, would love something like this in the tank, and thanks for opening up the discussion on the feasibility!

SAF - now you are really exciting me! Love puffers, but everywhere I have read it seems they are best suited to a species tank. However, I may not have specifically been reading about the SAF. Anyone care to discuss?

Apisto cacatuoides- again, had this on the list originally but seems to prefer much softer water?

All of the fish i have listed will be fine with Danios and all can be kept in a 30G for life.
Rainbow cichlids are a peaceful cichlid that might even be timid if there is no cover in the tank.
A single Firemouth would also be fine, Zebra Danios are ideal dithers for these.

SAPs would be much more of a challenge but IMO would be fine as they are only suitable for setups that contain other highly active species.

Most Apisto cacatuoide are tank bred so ph and hardness that they live in in the wild is irrelevant,
Also most of the uk has a fairly high ph