Because The Man In The Shop Said ..........

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Sorry just a rant about bad advice from a shop!

I had a phone call yesterday afternoon from a lady who bought a tank & fish from me a couple of months ago. The tank was fully mature with healthy fish. The lady was in tears on the phone as all her fish were dying? I arranged to go over to her house and when I got there I was horrified at the state of the tank!

First problem was the jewel internal filter powerhead was in the wrong position, it was sitting on top of the sponges not in the slot filling the tank with gunk from the sponges. I explained that this wasnt helping and she told me the man in the shop said that was the best place for it because the jewel filters were useless and thats why she had bits in her tank but putting the powerhead on top of the sponges stops the bits! I told her she needed a bit of new filter wool on the top sponge!

The gravel was thick with fish waste & uneaten food, lots of plec wafers mouldy and black!! I asked if she had been vaccing the gravel, she had but it was difficult with the vac she brought. I asked to see the vac and she showed me a tiny straight pipe with a small line. Something more stuitable for a biorb or small tank, not a 180l tank. I asked why she bought such a small vac and she said "because the man in the shop said it was the best one!!"

I asked why there was so much uneaten food in the tank and got her to show me how much she was putting in, she took out enough food to feed the fish for about 3 days and thats what she put in twice a day said the plec had 6 wafers morning and night!!, I asked why on earth was she feeding so much food, when I had told her just a tiny pinch (the plec she bought later) and she said " the man in the shop told me to put in enough flake food that they could eat in 10 minutes and how many wafers to feed the plec....!!

Needless to say the man in the shop told her she needed a plec to eat algae!!!

This poor lady was so distressed she was killing her fish and that she had been listening to the "man in the shop" rather than the advice I gave her when she bought the tank.

Her 2 angels were both on their sides when I got there, I put them in a bucket of fresh water with an airline and after an hour they were thankfully back upright again. I then did an 70% wc trying to get as much gunk out of the tank as possible, sadly I didnt take my gravel vac. I re-set up the filter properly installed an air pump so the fish had more oxygen as I had moved the outlet pipe of the filter to point downwards to circulate the rest of the gunk into the filter.

All the fish had very poor colour but thankfully no sign of any fungal infections, but fearing there could be a bacterial infection in the tank I treated the tank with a med just in case. Thankfully an hour after the large wc and meds the fish all picked back up again. Its sad she has lost some of the fish, all the ones she bought from the shop have died, the 4 she had from me are still alive. I have sent her one of my spare gravel vacs that will do the job properly so she can do another wc later today.

I am so angry at the bad advice this lady has recieved from this certain shop, and the stress and upset it has caused the fish and the poor lady, she was so upset that she was killing her fish! I know the shop and spookily I went there yesterday and was disgusted at the state of their tanks.

So a word of advice to any new fish keepers, take advice from people that keep fish, not just sell them :rolleyes:
 
So why don't you just name and shame the shop in question.
Well done tho for doing the right thing for the fish and the lady. It amazes me how much bad advice there is going around. I recently set up my parents a small 125 litre and my dads friend who has kept fish for years said straight away that he will only need to do a water change once every 6 months on a tank that size. Hence I'm doing a water change every Sunday before my mother serves up my Sunday diner!! Fair trade I think lol.
 
Oh dear - I know, I've been on the receiving end of bad advice in years gone by.

I know how you feel!
 
I dont think I am actually allowed to name the shop (sure I have seen it in previous threads somewhere) but its in a part of Birmingham called Erdington and its an 'Aquatics' shop. :shifty:

I just hope I wasnt too late with these fish, I did all I could last night. I didnt bother testing the water, there was no need because the gunk & smell told me the ammonia would be very high.
 
i have said this all along
there only one thing that
the man in the shop is wanting
to do is make money they will tell
you that your water is OK and its ****
they don't see fish they see pound
signs your fish die they don't care
its only means you spending more money
with them but not all are the same
my mate was a lfs he would help me
out any way possible even when i bought
a big tank from another shop he took me
to pick it up with his van and give me a hand
to with some other mates to move it in
to the house . he was one of the good ones
he died about two years ago i miss him and his
shop and his banter :sad:






well done star
 
Set up for 50 years, and he's still telling customers the wrong information!!

Talk about consistent :good:
 
Mental, At least she knows the craic now though. Did you point her in the direction of this forum? Surely there is some sort of regulating body that visits these shops to do the secret shopper scenario.

You would think that after giving out crap advice for sol ong people would hear about it on the grape vine and not go there.
 
People often don't know/think to find out if the advice they're being given is correct though.

People don't normally think of fish as 'pets' in the sense that they have care requirements.

So if you sum all that up, new fish keeper goes into shop to buy fish... man who sells fish (so clearly knows about fish :lol: :rolleyes:), tells you how they should be kept, why would you question him, look at all the lovely fish he has, and look how long he's been in business. Plus afterall you are only getting a fish tank... I mean it's no big deal. They're just fish. Fish + Water + Food... afterall you autines second cousin's monkey kept a goldfish in a tiny bowl for over a year until he died of old age!

You don't talk to other people about fish... they're just fish. They're maybe a slight talking point for guests that come over, so unless you have the thought to go and read up about them... then you don't bump into fabulous people like us. lol :lol:

Anyways... back out of the weird 3rd persony thing. Yes you'd have thought word would get around that the advice you recieve there is poor. But only for people who are part of the fishy community. Most people who buy a tank just buy a tank. They don't think any further than that.

Tbh I'm often happy to buy from places that give poor advice... purely on the basis that I don't need their advice. I'm only interested in the quality of the fish they have for sale. However I have been very very close to correct people in shops before, I just haven't quite figured out the correct way to go about it without offending anyone. I would never want to set out to belittle an employee of anywhere, but at the same time incorrect advice = dead fish, so how do you put it nicely that err 'Everything you just said their is absolute rubbish... and here is the correct version'. lol.
 
I'd just say "well actually I heard otherwise, and looked it up, and actualy the correct method is to...."
 
Tbh I'm often happy to buy from places that give poor advice... purely on the basis that I don't need their advice. I'm only interested in the quality of the fish they have for sale. However I have been very very close to correct people in shops before, I just haven't quite figured out the correct way to go about it without offending anyone. I would never want to set out to belittle an employee of anywhere, but at the same time incorrect advice = dead fish, so how do you put it nicely that err 'Everything you just said their is absolute rubbish... and here is the correct version'. lol.

You are wise to think twice, imho. Ultimately, the employees are considered the expert (even though you know full well they aren't), and you would probably just come across as some arrogant twonk. Probably your best bet is to mention this site loudly to whoever you happen to be with, and hope they overhear.
 
Tbh I'm often happy to buy from places that give poor advice... purely on the basis that I don't need their advice. I'm only interested in the quality of the fish they have for sale. However I have been very very close to correct people in shops before, I just haven't quite figured out the correct way to go about it without offending anyone. I would never want to set out to belittle an employee of anywhere, but at the same time incorrect advice = dead fish, so how do you put it nicely that err 'Everything you just said their is absolute rubbish... and here is the correct version'. lol.

You are wise to think twice, imho. Ultimately, the employees are considered the expert (even though you know full well they aren't), and you would probably just come across as some arrogant twonk. Probably your best bet is to mention this site loudly to whoever you happen to be with, and hope they overhear.


lol twonk, I like that word
 
Tbh I'm often happy to buy from places that give poor advice... purely on the basis that I don't need their advice. I'm only interested in the quality of the fish they have for sale. However I have been very very close to correct people in shops before, I just haven't quite figured out the correct way to go about it without offending anyone. I would never want to set out to belittle an employee of anywhere, but at the same time incorrect advice = dead fish, so how do you put it nicely that err 'Everything you just said their is absolute rubbish... and here is the correct version'. lol.

You are wise to think twice, imho. Ultimately, the employees are considered the expert (even though you know full well they aren't), and you would probably just come across as some arrogant twonk. Probably your best bet is to mention this site loudly to whoever you happen to be with, and hope they overhear.

You know what... This site needs a leaflet/mini poster..

We can print them out and hand them out to our lfs, it could have the title "second opinions by friendly fishkeepers"..

I would presume most shops would accept it, they could just hand one over to new fish owners and say, "these guys will see you right"
 

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