Aquarium Salt

Fish_Man43

Fish Fanatic
Joined
Apr 30, 2010
Messages
132
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Location
Kendal South Lakes England
The day i started to stock my tank i have been putting aquarium salt in at water changes, by the advice of the LFS, the question is will it be ok in the long run as i have just been told that it can cause more harm than good? I know it's not good to use with catfish, corys etc. All my fish are under 2 inch apart from the pearls so thought the little guys might be suffering with the salt?
 
Do not add salt to freshwater aquaria. There's no need.

Decades ago, people used poor quality filters and avoided water changes. Sodium chloride reduces the toxicity of nitrite and nitrate, so it helped. Sodium chloride stressed fish to be sure, but given the hardiness of the fish kept back then, the sodium chloride was the lesser of two evils compared to the poor water quality. Nowadays we have proper filters and do regular water changes. Sodium chloride, like carbon, is obsolete.

Yes, pet shops will sell the stuff. But then ask them what it's for. You'll get some vague arm-wavy stuff about electrolytes and slime coats and such. Maybe some mention of pH and hardness, neither of which are affected in the least by sodium chloride.

Unless you're keeping brackish water species, you don't need salt, and they need marine salt mix. Tonic/aquarium salt is purely and simply for use when treating diseases fish, i.e., killing whitespot, shifting leeches, etc.

Cheers, Neale

The day i started to stock my tank i have been putting aquarium salt in at water changes, by the advice of the LFS, the question is will it be ok in the long run as i have just been told that it can cause more harm than good? I know it's not good to use with catfish, corys etc. All my fish are under 2 inch apart from the pearls so thought the little guys might be suffering with the salt?
 
Fantail John, forgive me, I couldn't let this pass. While interesting and an alternative point of view, there's too much there that I simply don't agree with.

Salt is commonly used in aquariums by old timers until shops started selling chemicals. It is also much used by Koi (Japanese Carps) breeders. Good Koi is very expensive, so you know they will not put something they don't know well into the water.
Cyprinius carpio is tolerant of brackish water. As such, adding salt at trivially low doses won't do any harm. Whether it does any good is debatable.

You may find some commercial websites "bashing salt". The reason is obvious - if everyone is to use this cheap and readily available salt, then they can't make a profit out of you.
On the contrary. I've written many times about the usefulness of salt under certain circumstances. It's a low toxicity treatment for whitespot, and a good way to shift some external parasites like leeches. But salt is inferior to other medications for treating fungal and bacterial infections, and it has no value at all against things like dropsy.

Salt can kill 77% of all parasites found in water !
So doubtless will cyanide and gamma radiation, but no-one recommends either for general use in aquaria!

Most fish have an internal salt concentration higher than their water environment. Water transfers from higher concentration to lower concentration. (Osmosis) The greater the difference in salt concentration(salinity), the greater the osmosis effect. This difference in salinity causes water to transfer from the water to the body of the fish. Fish have to constantly eliminate the excess water because their body always have more salt than the water around.

When we add salt to the aquarium water, the salinity of aquarium water is increased. Therefore, the difference in salt concentration between the fish and water is reduced. The result is slower water transfer to the fish (lower osmosis pressure). The fish therefore need less effort to get rid of excess water. Therefore the fish saves energy, and the fish has more energy to fight diseases.
Don't even know where to begin here. This is incredibly old school thinking. Fish have mostly evolved for one particular salinity, whether 0 or 35 ppt, depending on whether they're freshwater or saltwater fish. Only some fish, brackish water fish, are adapted to, and appreciate, salinities other than these.

Salt can also help in the production of the fish's protective slime layer and accelerate recovery from wounds. This healing occurs by hyperosmolarity. Fish have a definate specific gravity (concentration of total dissolved solids) in their bodily fluids. If the surrounding water has a higher concentration, the fluids from the wound site goes into the surrounding water, and fresh plasma goes in to replace it, creating more blood flow in that area and making it heal faster. In fact, if you go to a fish shop, you will find that there are many expensive commercial addictives that do the same thing at a much greater cost.
Again, old school thinking. Fish have evolved to have a slime layer of a particular thickness, and making their slime layer thicker than normal isn't going to magically improve things.

This best thing about using salt to kill parasites or promote healing is that it does not damage your biological filter.
Just plain wrong. At the doses needed to treat fungus for example, around 10 ppt, you certainly will stress freshwater filter bacteria. At lower doses, around 2-3 ppt, you can kill velvet and whitespot to be sure, but not fungus and certainly not finrot.

Some fish that do much better with added salt would include Goldfish, Koi, African Cichlids, and livebearers. Indeed, the secret to keeping healthy, robust Mollys, Platys, Swordtails, and Guppys is to add salt.
"African cichlids" covers a lot of ground, and West African and Congo species from soft water habitats don't even like hard water, let alone salty water. When it comes to Rift Valley cichlids, many vets and fish health writers have connected the mistaken use of salt to harden water with something called Malawi Bloat, which is fatal. When keeping Rift Valley cichlids, you should not add salt, at least not by itself. Alongside Epsom salt and baking soda, marine salt mix can be used to make Rift Valley salts. But by itself it is potentially dangerous. As for livebearers, platies and swordtails don't need salt if kept properly, and mollies would do much better given marine salt mix that raises carbonate hardness and pH, rather than ordinary salt.

There are also some fish that do not do well with any salt at all in the water. Some fish that do not do well with added salt includes smooth skinned catfish, Corydoras, Tetras, Angelfish, Discus, Loaches and Bettas. There are others as well.
This is basically everything other than livebearers, so what's the point! Tropical fish that don't come from brackish water conditions should not be exposed to salty water for anything other than short term therapy.

Cheers, Neale
 
^^^^^


Some very good information there. Fantail_John you probably haven't been around these forums long enough to learn that nmonks does not make random statements based on what he has heard. Quite to the contrary he bases his responses on factual data. If he does not know the right answer he isn't going to post until he has researched the subject.

This isn't an attack on you, just passing some friendly information so that you know where he is coming from.
 
At this time, Faintail_John directly copied and pasted a copyrighted article from another webpage. This plagiarism is not only against the forum's rules, but could be punishable by law. Obviously I have removed it at this time. nmonk's replies to the page can stay because this is always "fair use" of quotes from bodies of work like articles, but an entire body of work cannot be copied.

I just wanted to put this note in because with the offending post removed, this thread reads a little funny now. And, to remind everyone that plagiarism will not be tolerated on this forum.

Thanks,
Bignose
 
You may find some commercial websites "bashing salt". The reason is obvious - if everyone is to use this cheap and readily available salt, then they can't make a profit out of you.

I also wanted to add a reply on the topic here. Neale has done an excellent job and I don't need to repeat or reiterate a lot of what he wrote here. Both he and I can write a lot more if need be. And, I also know that both he and I can cite scientific papers and books to support our facts if requested.

But, the quote above is rather disturbing to me, because of its sheer audacity of unscientific and non-rational thinking. Better medications have been created because they work better. Either more effective at killing the problem microorganism, more effective at ameliorating the symptoms, or safer for the fish, or some combination of all 3. There isn't a giant conspiracy for fish medicine. It is such a small business, frankly, we should be lucky that it even exists. It wasn't that long ago that to get a hold of most "fish medicine" you had to order bulk chemicals from a laboratory supply company and mix them yourself. A fish club might all go in on a purchase together to re-stock their fish medicine cabinets once or year or similar.

Finally, if anything, these myths about salt continue that if there is any conspiracy, it is to support the "aquarium salt" manufacturers. As above, almost every LFS still stocks it and will gladly charge you 100x more than what you can buy that same stuff for in grocery or hardware stores. But, it is almost completely unnecessary today, and doesn't need to purchased.

In end, I highly doubt that there is a conspiracy either way. It is just the inertia of tradition (again, as well-explained by Neale) and ignorance. "My dad always did it this way so it must be right." can be very powerful. Also, the percentage of all fish keepers who actually join a forum like this and research and read up on their pets is very tiny. Less than 1% for sure. So, it is hard to get the most up-to-date information out there. In the end, it is up to each one of us to make well-researched and rational decisions based on facts. And, right now, all the facts comes down on how unnecessary salt is for the freshwater aquarium today.
 

Most reactions

Back
Top