Any One Have Any Fish Keeping Related Qualifications?

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Have been having a bit of a think lately (dangerous I know)

In a couple of years time I will be able to return to work full time as my youngest will start school & I have some decisions to make about my future. Not sure what that holds yet, but I know for certain I do not want to return to being an accountant *shudder*

Now for the fishy bit........... I would like to take some time to start some study courses to get me on the right road to a job I will enjoy rather than endure. So, I was thinking I would have a look online for fish keeping based courses, to maybe get a nice little LFS job, or work in a self employed position? Maybe even run a small aquatic franchise?

I have found a couple of courses so far, both online based, diploma in fish keeping & one in Marine Biology. Has anyone taken any aquatic based courses in the past?
 
There are some courses tailored to those wanting to work in the fishkeeping trade. Sparsholt College has a famous course, but lots of places offer more or less similar courses as well.

To be honest, none of them tell you anything a reasonably advanced hobbyist doesn't already know; but they are very good courses for people who aren't expert fishkeepers but do want to be able to sell or maintain ornament fish species successfully. At the very least, they are useful things to put on your CV if you want to work in the retail sector.

If you interest goes beyond the basic things like filtration and disease, then you'd be better served with a more academic course. The Open University and the Workers Educational Association are, in the UK at least, the two best avenues for this. They cater to different markets though. The OU is essentially a way for people to do proper degrees without the need to leave home or employment; the WEA produces short, low-cost courses across a few weeks more for entertainment rather than qualification.

Marine biology is a good subject, but one does need to be realistic about what it covers and what avenues it opens up. Fish biology is a relatively minor component at most schools. Fisheries management tends to be quite important though, but it's mostly a "numbers" based science, since it's all about modelling populations and how they react to fishing pressure. On the other hand, if you're interested in fish biology and would like to actually work with wild fish populations or do some lab work on them, a degree in (general) zoology is probably as good a way to get started as any. Academic research on fish tends to be focused primarily on edible species, either through fisheries management or aquaculture, but fish are also very important animals for lab-based work of various kinds, particularly animal behaviour. While it's not my cup of tea, fish are also very important for use in genetics, DNA-based taxonomy, and developmental biology, but while these subjects attract funding reasonably well, the work is intensely repetitive and unless you care about minutiae, numbingly dull.

If you're serious about learning about fish, and just want to learn about how they work, their evolution, their distribution, and their ecology, then by far the best thing you could do is grab a copy of "The Diversity of Fishes". It's a classic textbook, and covers just about every aspect of fish biology in a detailed but very readable way. It's expensive, but honestly, it's a book I've used almost constantly since I bought my copy over ten years ago. Perhaps your local library system can arrange an inter-library loan for you? That way, you can test-drive it first, and then decide if you want to invest in a copy.

It's almost always true that anyone interested in general, old-fashioned, David Attenborough-style natural history should avoid a career in science like the plague. Virtually no graduates ever get to do fun stuff that involves trips to coral reefs or playing with dolphins. The vast majority of people with bachelor degrees in science won't be able to find job in their field. Almost all masters degrees studentships, PhD studentships, and then post-doc studentships attract massive numbers of applicants. The students who succeed are the ones prepared to give up their social life and ambitions for things like home ownership or nice cars; instead they have to work 7-days a week, 10+ hours a day, for very low amounts of money. And if you don't want to do that, then there will certainly be a student from Asia who will, and frankly, that's all the professors care about. It's a depressing business really, and my advice to young scientists is invariable "don't, unless you're 100% dedicated" because only the people who live and breathe science succeed.

The happiest "naturalists" are those who do it as amateurs, a word coming from the Latin meaning, "for love". Naturalists can have other jobs for money, on the hours they want, and fill their weekends and holidays with field trips to wherever they want. No grant applications, no peer review, no need to slave away in a lab all night.

Hmm... ranting a little bit here, but hope this is useful.

Cheers, Neale
 
There is a "Fisheries and aquaculture" course at Bangor uni. Nearly went on it as my grades were....minimal. (Guinnea pigs at As/A2 level and was tought the wrong syllibus for a year! - flipping teachers!)....

..ended up doing a "catch up" course at Plymouth, Extended sciences. Managed then to get into a chemistry degree.

There are lots of fisheries science courses although lots of them probably focus on edible fish and trading/fishing rules etc.

Edit: As the previous post has mentioned, Marine biology etc is a daft route to go down unless you are interested in learning and not worrying about a career at the end of it. One marine biologist I knew worked in woolworths. The other is an Avon representative. There are simply no jobs..
 
Thank you both for the replies & Neale, thank you for such an in depth reply, I will see if my Library can get a copy of The Diversity of Fishes for me.

I am 2 units into my business degree with the OU, but after 18mths off I just cannot drag up the enthusiasm to continue it, I love to study, but would rather study something I enjoy rather than business & finance again.

More thought needed for now I think, I found a few courses from online searches which sound interesting & not too expensive, it depends on what my ultimate aim is I guess, which at the moment I do not know...........................
 
just a note on OU courses. They are often very broard in what they contain. For example my Dad wanted his BSc that he never had the chance to get when younger. He studdied a broard range of topics including maths, biology, chemistry and genetics to name just a few. He did a little bit of each and so it never got too in-depth. Probably the higher end of GCSE to lower end A-level maths for example.

At the end of it he has a BSc in science without having to do the really complicated stuff. He gets the initials behind his name and so an extra step up the applicants list for new jobs. Its well worth it as nearly everyone looking for a job has some kind of initials behind their name.

Good luck Kari and dont forget that if the course isn't feeling quite right, next year you can choose another module that you may enjoy more.
 
Thank you both for the replies & Neale, thank you for such an in depth reply, I will see if my Library can get a copy of The Diversity of Fishes for me.

I am 2 units into my business degree with the OU, but after 18mths off I just cannot drag up the enthusiasm to continue it, I love to study, but would rather study something I enjoy rather than business & finance again.

More thought needed for now I think, I found a few courses from online searches which sound interesting & not too expensive, it depends on what my ultimate aim is I guess, which at the moment I do not know...........................

There is an article in the July 09 issue of Practical Fishkeeping about various courses available, including full-time, part-time and distance learning. You might just be in time to grab yourself a copy before the August edition comes out.. on the 8th of July :S
 
Thank you both for the replies & Neale, thank you for such an in depth reply, I will see if my Library can get a copy of The Diversity of Fishes for me.

I am 2 units into my business degree with the OU, but after 18mths off I just cannot drag up the enthusiasm to continue it, I love to study, but would rather study something I enjoy rather than business & finance again.

More thought needed for now I think, I found a few courses from online searches which sound interesting & not too expensive, it depends on what my ultimate aim is I guess, which at the moment I do not know...........................

There is an article in the July 09 issue of Practical Fishkeeping about various courses available, including full-time, part-time and distance learning. You might just be in time to grab yourself a copy before the August edition comes out.. on the 8th of July :S

I have this issue :good: thank you for the heads up, i've not had a chance to look through it yet & hadnt noticed, I will go dig it out.

Thanks Saz, I will have a look at the other courses the OU offer, I may even be able to transfer credit from the ones i've already done? Might give them a call & see.
 
If you want a job in a LFS.
I would ring around your LFS and see what they say.
I got a job at a fish house recently, and I dont have any qualifications.
Just I have basic knowledge, and willing to learn.
That might be all they want?
Just thought i'd let you know, as I wouldnt want you to waste money, rather you spend it on me.
:p

YF
 
If you want a job in a LFS.
I would ring around your LFS and see what they say.
I got a job at a fish house recently, and I dont have any qualifications.
Just I have basic knowledge, and willing to learn.
That might be all they want?
Just thought i'd let you know, as I wouldnt want you to waste money, rather you spend it on me.
:p

YF

I didnt realise you had a new job? Congrats! Is it good??

I think I might ask around see if anyone is looking for weekend staff, I need to get a car back on the road first though, my youngest will be in nursery next year, so part time in a little LFS would be nice, its one of those jobs where experience often counts more than qualifications I think.

But I do like to study, so it wont hurt to find a course, maybe push me a little further up the applicant list for the future?
 
Yeah, I work at a fish house.
Currently just 1 room atm full of tanks.
But hes got a building happening in his back shed, for over 100+ tanks.
I carnt name his company etc, ovbiously because of the forum rules.
But yeah, im enjoying it :)
it started off volunteer, and i done everything he asked.
then he suddenly said "how would you like to work for me and ill pay you"
so im happy.
:p

YF
 

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