For 1.. i never claimed to know everythink about fishkeeping, however 16 years of keeping fish you get to learn a few things... no im not a cichlid expert and never claimed to be, ive kept oscars, ive kept oscars in a 60g tank and trust me he soon looked like he wasnt comfortable with turning nor swimming and he wasnt full grown, so valid reasons why ive carried on with the DEBATE!!! as i see it.
It takes a decent amount of time to get to 15 inches. I disagree and think the smaller tank will be fine, is there a chance he may get a larger oscar who will need more room? Sure but most won't need it anytime soon.
again i didnt say he wouldnt be fine for now!! i said he will have to be rehomed at a later date once the oscar gets to big, if he said about upgrading in the possibilty of it outrowing the tank then yes i would admit a 65g tank would be suitable for NOW.. long term i still say no
You say the dimensions i gave origianlly would be suitable, have you seen a 15 inch oscar?, i have and trust me a 15 wide tank isnt suitable and never will be even a 18 inch tank would be a squeeze for it to turn round.. 20 inch i would say suitable yes, but 24 i would buy for compelete ease..... i know full well as long as a fish can turn with no problems (in thoery) he should be fine but you cant know an oscar wont grow wider than the a tank you have him in, or can you?.. so why not make sure and get a tank you know he wont outgrow!!
Yes I have seen a 15" oscar, and you seem to doubt a fishes ability to turn around a good bit.. He isn't talking about getting an oscar that is 15", he's talking about a young one that will grow. If he happens to need an upgrade later on because his fish gets to large, that's fine. However you are jumping way too far into this and way too far ahead.
A fish been able to turn round comfortably with ease and without having to fold it's body.. yes!!, but getting a tank where he struggles to turn round without it looking easy is a different thing. 15 inch fish trying to turn round in a 15 inch wide tank weather he could or not isnt acceptable.
Knowing weather a fish is happy or not, there are pleny of signs.. illnesses are 1 and there are plenty of others down to gulping for air laying on the bottom of the tank etc etc some may not be relivent here but to say a fish cant show signs of been unhappy is just wrong. Isnt a lot of fish illnesses casued by stress?
I keep what most people would call an extremely over stocked tank, and my fish are not ill, gulping for air, and only lay on the bottom sometimes because it is natural for the species of fish. Fish don't really show signs of being unhappy, and with filtration and proper care illness can be avoided. I used to keep stupidly big goldfish in small containers with no ill effects to my eyes. He would swim around, no gulping for air, no laying on the bottom just because I did so many water changes, he looked happy to me!? You can't tell, and you can't ask the fish. Your logic is flawed.
Again your trying to put a spin on somethink that i didnt say lol, overstocked tank is far from a tank thats to small for a fish, good filtration and good water quality is esential for all fish, tank overstocked has nothink tyo do with a fish been to big for a tank.
You say you kept goldies in small containers,you say no ill effects to YOUR EYES... im sorry m8 but youve just said they dont show signs of been unhappy, but now your saying he looked happy... ill say to you now which is it?.... just becasue you cant see ill effects doesnt mean long term damage hasnt been done.
If you know oscars and oscar temperement as you say you do then typical oscar behavoiur when annoyed, depressed and stressed is him laying on his side at the bottom of the tank, have you never seen this before?, yes you probably have, well thats just one thing that can tell you fish are unhappy.
Sure, but the odds of that happening because the tank isn't suitable to YOU is slim. You are not always right. Hell an oscar could go laying on its side and be upset just as much in a 120g because of bad keeping. I'd rather have someone keep one well in a 65g than poorly in a 120g... All the same in my eyes.
That has no relevence, bad fishkeeping is bad fishkeeping yes an oscar could look ill in a 120g tank, but the tanks a suitable size, fishkeeping and bad fishkeeping cant come into that when it involves badly kept fish due to neglect. I wont disagree with you at all when you say you would rather see a fish kept well in a 65g tank than badley in a 120g but thats not really the question here is it?, im sure the OP would keep his tank and fish in extreamly good health. weather 65 or 120g... but still i would rather see it in a 120g
I never try force my opinion on anybody unless i have experience or a CERTAIN amount of knowledge.
You shouldn't force your opinion on anyone except your fish. I don't care how much knowledge you have. This is the internet, and one keeper can have completely different experiences to the next keeper, and it must all be taken with a grain of salt.
Exactly my point you said you know people that have kept them in a 65g fine, i have a different experience.. a personal experience and from others that i have seen outgrow a 65g tank.... why is it different to you to say it right than it is for me to say it's wrong?
Ace i never actually said it wasnt, what i said is i PERSONALLY didnt think it was. others may differ others will say min is 5 foot... but all im saying and did say is any 65g natural dimension tank isnt suitable for an oscar for life
You where sitting here claiming your oscar won't be happy unless it is in at least 4X2X2... Which is it?
