A Word Of Warning..(updated)

[Cavafish]

Silver has been well known for donkeys years. That is where the expression 'born with a silver spoon in your mouth' comes from. The aristocrats and rich could afford silver cuttlery and they used it too - they knew it would help to keep them healthy. Any child born to wealthy parents would get a silver spoon to eat off of to keep them healthy too. it wasn't a out and out sign of affluence, it was practical common sense for them!!

Thought you might like to know....

 

[InaneCathode]

Silver has been well known for donkeys years. That is where the expression 'born with a silver spoon in your mouth' comes from. The aristocrats and rich could afford silver cuttlery and they used it too - they knew it would help to keep them healthy. Any child born to wealthy parents would get a silver spoon to eat off of to keep them healthy too. it wasn't a out and out sign of affluence, it was practical common sense for them!!

Thought you might like to know....

That, and conspicuous consumption.

 

[piatotsini]

Silver has been well known for donkeys years. That is where the expression 'born with a silver spoon in your mouth' comes from. The aristocrats and rich could afford silver cuttlery and they used it too - they knew it would help to keep them healthy. Any child born to wealthy parents would get a silver spoon to eat off of to keep them healthy too. it wasn't a out and out sign of affluence, it was practical common sense for them!!

Thought you might like to know....

That, and conspicuous consumption.

Ya know, some people still eat silver/gold these days. I just saw Iron Chef America: Battle Turkey (last thanksgiving), and chef Battali put gold leaf bits on the food

 

[LisaLQ]

King British Disease Clear contains colloidal silver (is that the right stuff - I know it's silver) and it works a treat, so yep, you can use silver in your tank.

 

[raptorrex]

lol there is a firm just down the road from me, that makes MRSA proof clothing, NHS wont use it!!! Go figure ???

So as far as preventive measures go protective clothing will have no benefit over cleanliness and regular washing of the hands upon entering and exiting medical establishments. Most preventive measures for infection control are down to good hygiene and common sense.

interesting but untrue, silver kills any bacteria on contact. the gowns and uniforms are confirmed as 100% effective against MRSA, and all other bacteria. though it is true that the filthy state of our medical facility's is the main cause of this problem. perhaps if the establishment would stop looking at the balance sheet, we may all benifit!!!!

 

[wuvmybetta]

I've been singing the praises of colloidal silver around here for years.

Lately I've had hand injury after hand injury, but despite that I still have water changes that must be done. I try to remember to put silver on them right away...but now I'll be sure of it.

A well known betta breeder came down for one of our shows earlier this year and he was telling us how he contracted fish TB and the doctors were having a very hard time getting rid of it. He eventually injected silver directly into the 'bumps' and it went away almost immediately.

 

[raptorrex]

I've been singing the praises of colloidal silver around here for years.

Lately I've had hand injury after hand injury, but despite that I still have water changes that must be done. I try to remember to put silver on them right away...but now I'll be sure of it.

A well known betta breeder came down for one of our shows earlier this year and he was telling us how he contracted fish TB and the doctors were having a very hard time getting rid of it. He eventually injected silver directly into the 'bumps' and it went away almost immediately.

A kindred spirit, at last!!

i've been using colloidal silver, for many years, cold and things are a thing of the past, we feel them coming on but. yes i know colds are a virus,the problems they cause are invariably bacterial in nature! never really suffer. my daughter is a special needs child, and is prone to self harming. the application of silver colloid and silver plasters has transformed our treatment of these ills. misinformation and plain ignorance, of the medical establishment makes me fume, this could, and does, German hospitals use silver, in many forms as a first choice, transform our treatment of infection. but if silver takes off, the drug company's will loose big time. their control of western medicine means that they will fight, however many people die, to defend their profit.

 

[Bignose]

I really, seriously do not want to start another argument about silver. I have stated my case pretty clearly in this old thread: http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=149721

Whether you want to believe in a 'vast medical conspiracy' or you want to believe in 'people who care about other people and really want as many treatment options available' is up to you. But, the simple truth is that silver's efficacy has been over-exaggerated by their producers as well. As a scientist myself, I can tell you, in all honesty, that we would like alternatives to work, but the proof just isn't there. The peer-reviewed scientific studies do agree that silver has some antimicrobial abilities, but not the miracle claims that so many people make.

If you bring me unbiased, scientific, well-documented proof, I promise I will change my mind. But right now, I am highly skeptical. I am happy it has worked for you, but badmouthing the medical industry is really unfair. Overwhelmingly, they are trying to help other people, and the cost of the drugs is because the U.S. has such strict guidelines that have to be followed so that the safest possible products get to people. Those guidelines require proof every step of the way, so that people cannot just throw some drugs together -- potentially dangerously -- and claim it cures something. There has to be well-documented proof. This is all I am asking. If you or anyone else can provide me with some proof -- not anecdote -- I would really, really appreciate it.

 

[WILDER]

I agree some things work for some people but not everyone.

 

[raptorrex]

I really, seriously do not want to start another argument about silver. I have stated my case pretty clearly in this old thread: http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=149721



If you bring me unbiased, scientific, well-documented proof, I promise I will change my mind. But right now, I am highly skeptical. I am happy it has worked for you, but badmouthing the medical industry is really unfair. Overwhelmingly, they are trying to help other people, and the cost of the drugs is because the U.S. has such strict guidelines that have to be followed so that the safest possible products get to people. Those guidelines require proof every step of the way, so that people cannot just throw some drugs together -- potentially dangerously -- and claim it cures something. There has to be well-documented proof. This is all I am asking. If you or anyone else can provide me with some proof -- not anecdote -- I would really, really appreciate it.

ho hum, you see i dont need to. if you had even tried to look into this, you would have found my comments to be correct.the report about the bacteria proof gowns and uniforms is on the BBC news web site. though perhaps this is not a trustworthy source. lol silver is a vital part of the best water purification systems! Silver is already used to control infection, and aid healing, for bad burns and to help in the control of Rodent ulcers( a form of cancer) though the amounts used in these cases can reach dangerous levels.

I dont see a conspiracy from big business, what i see is the laws of commerce, at work. that has nothing to do with patient treatment, just share holder confidence.

as for bad mouthing the medical industry, i have every right too! over the last five years, i have spent most of my time dealing with it! for god sake Clostridium defficile can only be caught, if a person comes into contact, with bodily waste, not really an indication for good hygiene!! M spent six months in a high intensity ward, not once did i see nurses using gloves! though to be fair each nurse only had two patients. the state of general cleaning around all wards was, and though it is improving, still is, unacceptable.

I am fully aware of the work and dedication, most NHS staff put into their work. unfortunately, when there is a problem with an organization the wrath falls on all, not just those responsible. to suggest that we cannot criticise it, simply because not all are guilty is churlish. with no direct financial control, criticism is the only tool to effect change.

 

[InaneCathode]

I really, seriously do not want to start another argument about silver. I have stated my case pretty clearly in this old thread: http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=149721



If you bring me unbiased, scientific, well-documented proof, I promise I will change my mind. But right now, I am highly skeptical. I am happy it has worked for you, but badmouthing the medical industry is really unfair. Overwhelmingly, they are trying to help other people, and the cost of the drugs is because the U.S. has such strict guidelines that have to be followed so that the safest possible products get to people. Those guidelines require proof every step of the way, so that people cannot just throw some drugs together -- potentially dangerously -- and claim it cures something. There has to be well-documented proof. This is all I am asking. If you or anyone else can provide me with some proof -- not anecdote -- I would really, really appreciate it.

ho hum, you see i dont need to. if you had even tried to look into this, you would have found my comments to be correct.the report about the bacteria proof gowns and uniforms is on the BBC news web site. though perhaps this is not a trustworthy source. lol silver is a vital part of the best water purification systems! Silver is already used to control infection, and aid healing, for bad burns and to help in the control of Rodent ulcers( a form of cancer) though the amounts used in these cases can reach dangerous levels.

I dont see a conspiracy from big business, what i see is the laws of commerce, at work. that has nothing to do with patient treatment, just share holder confidence.

as for bad mouthing the medical industry, i have every right too! over the last five years, i have spent most of my time dealing with it! for god sake Clostridium defficile can only be caught, if a person comes into contact, with bodily waste, not really an indication for good hygiene!! M spent six months in a high intensity ward, not once did i see nurses using gloves! though to be fair each nurse only had two patients. the state of general cleaning around all wards was, and though it is improving, still is, unacceptable.

I am fully aware of the work and dedication, most NHS staff put into their work. unfortunately, when there is a problem with an organization the wrath falls on all, not just those responsible. to suggest that we cannot criticise it, simply because not all are guilty is churlish. with no direct financial control, criticism is the only tool to effect change.

Please don't start this again. Seriously.

 

[raptorrex]

Please don't start this again. Seriously.

lol i done! point made. i think ill go mess with some fish now!

 

[QuotheRaven]

I must now buy some gloves for when doing water changes etc because I get cuts on my hands frequently due to Classical Guitar playing and well Fish keeping Lol get well soon

 

[Bignose]

ho hum, you see i dont need to. if you had even tried to look into this, you would have found my comments to be correct.the report about the bacteria proof gowns and uniforms is on the BBC news web site. though perhaps this is not a trustworthy source.

No, the BBC isn't. It is popular media, not a scientific report. They are two very different entities. Now, on the other hand, See Fung and Bowen, Journal of Toxicology, Clinical Toxocology, 1996 where they said "Legitimate medicinal use of silver-containing products has dramatically diminished over the last several decades. " In other words, in study after study, the silver has had little no additional effect over placebo. This is a research paper that collected and reviewed all the medical studies done on silver to date in 1996 -- and almost every study submitted to the scientific literature showed little to no effect. These are the peer-reviewed facts, wishing it so will not change the facts.

I acknowledged that there is some effect, it has been used on burns very effectively for some time. And I certainly do not think that research should stop. I really just didn't want silver to be touted as a magic cure-all when there is very dodgy evidence for such a claim. I did notice that no documented, unbiased evidence has come forth yet, I still make the same promise -- I promise to change my mind if you or anyone can bring me some real, substantiated, unbiased proof.

Finally, I really objected to you calling the entire western medical establishment greedy and willing to let people die. All I wanted to say was that they do not want people to die, that is just sick to even say that. I fully support criticism, but do at a reasonable level. Nothing gets accomplished by saying outrageously disgusting comments like "they will defend their profits, not matter how many people die." There are many criticisms that are completely valid and should be discussed (not on a fish forum!) that do not involve name-calling and really outrageous claims.

 

[raptorrex]

ho hum, you see i dont need to. if you had even tried to look into this, you would have found my comments to be correct.the report about the bacteria proof gowns and uniforms is on the BBC news web site. though perhaps this is not a trustworthy source.

No, the BBC isn't. It is popular media, not a scientific report. They are two very different entities. Now, on the other hand, See Fung and Bowen, Journal of Toxicology, Clinical Toxocology, 1996 where they said "Legitimate medicinal use of silver-containing products has dramatically diminished over the last several decades. " In other words, in study after study, the silver has had little no additional effect over placebo. This is a research paper that collected and reviewed all the medical studies done on silver to date in 1996 -- and almost every study submitted to the scientific literature showed little to no effect. These are the peer-reviewed facts, wishing it so will not change the facts.

I acknowledged that there is some effect, it has been used on burns very effectively for some time. And I certainly do not think that research should stop. I really just didn't want silver to be touted as a magic cure-all when there is very dodgy evidence for such a claim. I did notice that no documented, unbiased evidence has come forth yet, I still make the same promise -- I promise to change my mind if you or anyone can bring me some real, substantiated, unbiased proof.

Finally, I really objected to you calling the entire western medical establishment greedy and willing to let people die. All I wanted to say was that they do not want people to die, that is just sick to even say that. I fully support criticism, but do at a reasonable level. Nothing gets accomplished by saying outrageously disgusting comments like "they will defend their profits, not matter how many people die." There are many criticisms that are completely valid and should be discussed (not on a fish forum!) that do not involve name-calling and really outrageous claims.

oh boy why dont you read the post. i said that the drug company's were only interested in profit, not the NHS, though as the current situation is, the NHS itself has to look at the bottom line, above patients! i speck from experience, not with rhetoric. and am perfectly entitled to make these very valid comments. your refusal even to make a little research into my comments, is par for the course. i have no wish to have an argument, but incorrect and misleading information, must be answered. after all the world was known to be flat, untill someone realised it wasn't! if it so upsets you post one, only one link, that refutes what i have said! good luck it will be a long search. lol