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1" of complete plant substate 1/2" of fine gravel

stuffed with that long grass like plant

and then 1-2 Heterandria formosa

no filter/heater

would it work

light for about 6 hours a day
 
depends on what kind of fish you want. a betta could go in there along with a couple African Dwarf Frogs but that's all I can really think of,
 
depends on what kind of fish you want. a betta could go in there along with a couple African Dwarf Frogs but that's all I can really think of,

I don't think you get what i put there will be no filter and the fish I want are Heterandria formosa (mosquito fish)
 
could work, but the water would become stagnent and the plants would suffer, i always thought that you have to have movement in the water, not sure tho.
 
hmmm i would probaby have an airstone in one corner in order to prduce a little surface movement
 
for plants to survive properly the needs to be a small power head in there say about 100 litres per hour. but ive never seen one that big. flow is important for plants
 
As long as it gets a decent light above it it could work, but you will need water movement, and an airstone would just drive off CO2 and slow the plant growth.

If you have plants growing from the water with some of their leaves above the surface, then you could add an airstone for water movement, floating plants wouldn't appreciate being knocked around by the bubbles though, and you would have to let any other plants actually grow to stretch out the water in the first place.

You could get a teeny tiny powerhead and put it on its lowest setting and put a rock in front of it, then go for floating plants (that will not be CO2 limited) and some lower light plants underneath.

But really your just as well getting a small cheap HOB.

why do you want real plants?
I've assumed the idea was to have the plants act as the filter.
 
Then what you would be looking for is a small powerhead or HOB with media removed (will speed up flow).

She notes in her book that though her tanks have no filter, she does have circulation pumps for water movement. Planted tanks do need at least some flow of water (apparently lots of high-tech tanks have very high turnover rates).

In small ponds and the like in nature that get no water flow, notice how most of the growth is floating plants, and the few if any submerged plants also have aerial leaves?

What light were you going to use on the tank?
If you cant use a something to circulate the water, then in a 3g tank you would be looking at using only floating plants and any fish should be things like a betta, honey/sparkling gourami, since they can take air from the surface to oxygen levels aren't much of a problem.

Substrate shouldn't use too much soil since there are no rooted plants, I'd go for a 1" layer 50/50 sand/soil mix for the bottom (with a few small clumps of tufa rock unless you have hard water) and then top with a 1-1.5" layer of pea gravel . With nothing to circulate the water, snails will be useful to stop food rotting, but in such a small tank with only one small fish, you will probably have to remove lots every couple of weeks. I would leave it for a week with snails and then test the water before removeing some snails and adding the fish.

But ideally, you want something to move the water.
 
Hi, Jazzzz,
if I can add to the excellent comments of three-fingers above:
you certainly aren't the only one to consider doing small Walstads with a couple of small, hardy fish, as it seems many have done so over the years.
However, the Walstad method is fairly specific, and based both on science and on actual experience.
Many people have termed tanks obviously not of this type as Walstads - and some have attributed problems created by ignoring basics to the fault of the method, rather than their own deviations.
I'd just like to quickly note that while surface disturbance will drive off excess co2 from a tank to which this is added, in a natural tank without artificial co2 addition, air disturbance may draw more co2 in from the air to balance natural levels, wherever below this.
I know nothing of this myself, of course, and am too lazy right now to dig for examples, but I've come across a number of different people's identical explanations of this.
The natural tank is entirely different from the high-tech in functioning, chemistry, and aim.

The soil-based, gravel-capped Walstad method involves using a number of different plants, generally as many as is feasible, especially fast-growing stem plants, emergents and floating.
While the photo period is (or was, last time I checked the site) regarded as being of more importance than continuous light during the recommended period of about 14 hours for emergent plant growth, 6 hours of light would appear to fall far short of that generally accepted as supporting optimum plant growth.
Snails are also required, as mentioned above, in achieving a balance - and in cleaning plant leaves.
A number of people have successfully balanced small tanks without water movement, but it's trickier, as plants are then deprived of nutrients otherwise flowing past their leaves, and as tiny speck of debris can settle out and remain on leaves, resulting in injury and algae growth.
But different types of plants are better suited to this still-water environment than others - and marsh plants such as Pennywort and Cardamine lyrata are examples.
If you have your heart set on a grassy plain, have you considered compromising with some Pennywort (duckweed being SUCH a pain) which could be planted to provide length so that while graceful, trailing 'lilypads' could grow across the surface, they could be trimmed back periodically to prevent excessive blocking of light from the other plants?
They aren't an emergent, of course, but they do suck ammonia as does Cardamine lyrata, which can be planted in scattered background clumps without spreading madly through your 'lawn'.

People have done Walstads of single plant types, but it's strongly recommended you follow closely the standard method for your first few times prior to experimental variations.
The water does not necessarily become stagnant without artificial movement, but a good plant mass is required as well as the movements of fish.
Many plants do not do well below certain temperatures, and a remarkable number of grass-type plants sold for aquariums seem to require tropical temps - something to bear in mind in an unheated tank, depending on ambient room temps. on a year-round basis.
Hope some of this makes sense and is of help - it's 3 AM here, I keep trying to think and it's just not working...

Edit: re above - I missed a whole word...
 
so confusing will look more into it, whats the name of this persons book does anone know?
 
The book is called Ecology of the Planted Aquarium and it is by Diana Walsted. I never found it in paperback so the price was a bit on the higher side of my aquarium books.
 

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