100 L Tank

[fatheadminnow]

dwarf chiclids???

do people think thats a good idea?

andrew

neither neon tetras or dwarf cichlids will survive in a new tank

Right...

After it is cycled you will be able to add the fish you desire.

-FHM

even a freshly cycled tank wont be suitable as they arent that stable in the first few months, wait 6 months before adding neons or dwarf cichlids.

and if you can get a captive bred dwarf cichlid that a human hasnt touched (not had any genetical modifications or antibiotics stuffed in it!)

Well I guess you learn stuff everyday...lol.

Then what would be some good fish to add to the tank after it has been fully cycled.

-FHM

 

[stang1]

Dwarf Cichlids such as Bolivian Rams, Keyhole Cichlids and some Apistogrammas will be fine in a tank that has been running a few weeks provided the water quality is fine.
Glowlight Tetras are a good starter fish, not as colourful as Neons but still a pretty fish.

 

[hollanda88]

truck hasn't answered my question lol

Why can't tetras go in a new tank set up if you keep the parameters perfect?


EDIT: I think i understand now, i read it again and think by "they" your refering to the tank and not the fish lol

But you can still keep a watch on the stablity of the readings and alter the water accordingly

 

[Truck]

truck hasn't answered my question lol

Why can't tetras go in a new tank set up if you keep the parameters perfect?

well if parameters are spot on, then yes but in a freshly cycled tank you may experience mini cycles and swings which isnt good on a fish as senstive as neon tetras and dwarf cichlids

 

[Jonny3shoes]

Wow!, Thanks everyone!

Will look at that link with fish now and do a bit of searching. So much more complex than it looks!!
I read that link on cycling and found it highly interesting.

Bro that book would be awesome. You can show me the tank if you come over too!! Get some dimensions.
Jonny

 

[Rubyuk]

Dwarf Cichlids such as Bolivian Rams, Keyhole Cichlids and some Apistogrammas will be fine in a tank that has been running a few weeks provided the water quality is fine.
Glowlight Tetras are a good starter fish, not as colourful as Neons but still a pretty fish.

Hello Stang1

I'm a newbie just about to start (hopefully) my Qualifying week after fishless cycling.

Not for now,but a few months down the line I was planning on getting a pair of rams.I've seen them at a local LFS and they are gorgeous and locally bread ones,which I understand is even better?

I read/understand that you only home them in a one pair (my tank is 180 litres) and that they are peaceful yet the male can be territoral during breading but no where near as terrotoral as the Kribs which someone had put forward as a beautiful wish,which whilst I agree I'm lead to understand that you would not home a pair of rams with a pair of kribs as the kribs would be too agressive?

Now I see you mention the Apistogrammas (I assume the Agazzi (SP)) and i've seen them and they are equally as stunning.

My question is though could you home them with the rams or is it best just to home one kind of dwarf cichlid in a tank my size?

If you can home both how many Agazzis do you recommend as I read different opinions between one pair to you must have 2 females with a male?

 

[stang1]

Hi Ruby,
As I understand it, Rams prefer a higher temperature of 28C, although many people have successfully kept them at around 26C. The fact that the ones you have seen are locally bred, it may be worth asking what temp they are kept at.
Apistogrammas seem to prefer temps of around 26C but they will be fine with a temp of 28C.
Keeping a pair of each would be fine in that size tank providing it is well planted and has plenty of caves for them to create territories.
Kribs can become very aggressive when breeding and many tankmates come under fire when this happens.
Although Apistogrammas can be kept in trios, many people keep just a pair with no problems.
Hope that helps.

 

[mattbond]

if you like them a trio of cockatoo or borelli apistogrammas would go fine in there

as for kribs, they can be ok, just pick tough tank mates

look at kuhli loaches as well!

 

[Rubyuk]

Hi Ruby,
As I understand it, Rams prefer a higher temperature of 28C, although many people have successfully kept them at around 26C. The fact that the ones you have seen are locally bred, it may be worth asking what temp they are kept at.
Apistogrammas seem to prefer temps of around 26C but they will be fine with a temp of 28C.
Keeping a pair of each would be fine in that size tank providing it is well planted and has plenty of caves for them to create territories.
Kribs can become very aggressive when breeding and many tankmates come under fire when this happens.
Although Apistogrammas can be kept in trios, many people keep just a pair with no problems.
Hope that helps.

Thanks Stang

I have plenty of cover with plants,cave,hollow tree stump etc

So there will be no agression between a pair of rams and a pair of Agazzis to ruin a community tank set up?

 

[stang1]

I can't see any reason it wouldn't work as you seem to have the tank set up perfectly.
They can both become a little territorial when breeding but in a good size tank, they will have plenty of room to keep out of each others way.

 

[Rubyuk]

I can't see any reason it wouldn't work as you seem to have the tank set up perfectly.
They can both become a little territorial when breeding but in a good size tank, they will have plenty of room to keep out of each others way.

And......would I be right in thinking that in a set up with only one male and female of possibly both their would be no guarantee of breading anyway.....or are they like say Platys and other livebearers where you only need one male and a female to guarantee hundreds of babys?

Other tank mates planned eventually are:

1 pair pearl Gourami
Rosy Tetras
Dwarf neon rainbowfish
Corys
Possibly some Emperor tetras as well
Amano Shrimps (quite big and I think too big to become food?)
1 BN
Maybe a couple of male platys

Any perceived problems with those combinations?

 

[stang1]

Stocking seems fine although many people advise against keeping Cories with Dwarf Cichlids as the Cichlids may harrass them.
It can take a few months for Dwarf Cichlids to breed and they will take care of the fry for the first couple of months. After a couple of months, the parents are usually ready to breed again and the youngsters may be chased away.

 

[waterdrop]

Going back to the questions of the OP, I still have a few quibbles with the early-on advice in this thread. First, I think that fatheadminnow's advice about the 1-2" per US gallon guideline is technically correct but is generally unwise for a new beginner. My personal opinion is that it is much less risky to remain at the 1" (of fishbody, not fins, of smaller fish) per US gallon guideline for the first year or two if you are an out and out beginner. Once you are more experienced with maintenance and have had a chance to see if all your hardware choices really work as hoped, then yes, there are people that choose to push on upward (with overfiltration) toward 2"/g but also there are experienced aquarists who choose to stay below the 1" guideline too. One thing that is often underappreciated by beginners is just how fast the whole thing can become a disaster if you are overstocking and there is a power failure while you're out of the house. There are also aesthetic considerations - but that goes both ways as overstocked and understocked can both be quite interesting looking aquascapes.

The other thing is the cardinal/neon question. I'd just like to say that I don't think its just down to well cycled and stable water. Its just an oft-repeated observation among serious aquarists that neons/cards are much, much more likely to do well in tanks that have run for 6 months -beyond- a good fishless cycle. We've even had repeated episodes here in the "New to the Hobby" forum of people losing neons after introducing them early. There's not an answer to the why of this, just a repeated observation.

Also, I agree that angels need 17",18" of height and a 26g is probably just a little bit under the minimum volume limit for this species, so agree with dropping that idea.

The little cichlid discussion sounds great though!

~~waterdrop~~

 

[stang1]

Oops, my apologies to the OP, didn't mean to hijack the thread...

 

[Rubyuk]

Me too.....sorry.

Thanks for comments though Stang