White Spot On All My Fish After Adding 2 New Ones

[danb]

Is it possible to load a pic up of the neon onto the site.

Yeah i will get a picture tomorrow, if he stays still long enough.

 

[danb]

I tried to get a pic but he never stays still. I was looking at what esha 2000 cures, it mentions neon tetra disease about them being pale, and getting skinny, this is exactly what mine is i think.

I am going to pull him out and put him in hospital tank and treat with esha 2000

The only thing im unsure of is what water to use? My tank still isnt cycled after 3 months, water perameters are all 0 ph 6.8. However my goldfish tank, water stats are; ammonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate 10 ph 6.8. Should i use the water from my goldfish tank for the hospital tank with the neon tetra?

Cheers

 

[WILDER]

There no cure for neon tetra desease.

Are you sure the fish hasn't lost weight due to not eating.


Signs of ntd are.
Red stripe area will look bleached out, or a milky substance on red strip area.
Blue area can look like a golden yellow colour.
Black linning around the red tail area.
Lumps on tummy that go to a point.
Odd swimming.
Fish will be restless and leave the shoal.
Bent spine sometimes.
Weightloss.
Later stages dropsy and popeye.

Also bad water quality can cause the red area to fade on neon tetra's.


http/www.fish-disease.net/diseases.htm

Pleistophora (a.k.a. Neon Tetra Disease)



Symptoms:

Pleistophora is also called Neon Tetra Disease because of its high prevalence among Neon Tetras, although it has also been reported to infect most Characins, Cichlids, Cyprinids (i.e., danios), and all the carp-like fishes. It is characterized by a loss of coloration and pale, white patches of skin, particularly the strip of skin beneath the dorsal fin. Other symptoms may include spinal curvature, emaciation, fin deterioration and erratic swimming behavior.



Cause:

The microsporidian parasite Pleistophora hyphessobryconis. Pleistophora live in the muscle tissue of infected fish and cause degeneration and wasting of the muscle. The parasites travel through the fish�s blood, quickly spreading to all areas of the body. Pleistophora not only affect the fish�s muscles but all its internal organs.



Treatment:

There is no effective cure for this illness, partly due to the fact that by the time diagnosis is confirmed the fish is too weak to be saved. If more than one fish in your aquarium succumbs to this parasite, the entire aquarium should be emptied and dissinfected. Some aquarists suggest the use of a diatom filter to trap the spores of the parasite and thus clear them from the tank.

Pleistophora can easily be mistaken for False Neon Disease, which is a bacterial infection and presents with the exact same symptoms. For this reason, it would be wise to remove the infected fish to a hospital tank (while disinfecting the main tank) and treat them with a broad spectrum antibiotic.

Take a mature sponge from your goldfish tank.

 

[danb]

There no cure for neon tetra desease.

Are you sure the fish hasn't lost weight due to not eating.


Signs of ntd are.
Red stripe area will look bleached out, or a milky substance on red strip area.
Blue area can look like a golden yellow colour.
Black linning around the red tail area.
Lumps on tummy that go to a point.
Odd swimming.
Fish will be restless and leave the shoal.
Bent spine sometimes.
Weightloss.
Later stages dropsy and popeye.

Also bad water quality can cause the red area to fade on neon tetra's.


http/www.fish-disease.net/diseases.htm

Pleistophora (a.k.a. Neon Tetra Disease)



Symptoms:

Pleistophora is also called Neon Tetra Disease because of its high prevalence among Neon Tetras, although it has also been reported to infect most Characins, Cichlids, Cyprinids (i.e., danios), and all the carp-like fishes. It is characterized by a loss of coloration and pale, white patches of skin, particularly the strip of skin beneath the dorsal fin. Other symptoms may include spinal curvature, emaciation, fin deterioration and erratic swimming behavior.



Cause:

The microsporidian parasite Pleistophora hyphessobryconis. Pleistophora live in the muscle tissue of infected fish and cause degeneration and wasting of the muscle. The parasites travel through the fish�s blood, quickly spreading to all areas of the body. Pleistophora not only affect the fish�s muscles but all its internal organs.



Treatment:

There is no effective cure for this illness, partly due to the fact that by the time diagnosis is confirmed the fish is too weak to be saved. If more than one fish in your aquarium succumbs to this parasite, the entire aquarium should be emptied and dissinfected. Some aquarists suggest the use of a diatom filter to trap the spores of the parasite and thus clear them from the tank.

Pleistophora can easily be mistaken for False Neon Disease, which is a bacterial infection and presents with the exact same symptoms. For this reason, it would be wise to remove the infected fish to a hospital tank (while disinfecting the main tank) and treat them with a broad spectrum antibiotic.

Take a mature sponge from your goldfish tank.

Where in my main tank filter should i put my goldfish sponge? i have cotton wool on top, then 2 sponges with big holes then at the bottom 2 really fine sponges. With regards to the bad water, the other fish seem really happy. Maybe its false NTD, should i pull him out and put him in hospital tank and treat with esha 2000 for a few days ?

 

[WILDER]

If you suspect false ntd treat in hospital tank with esha 2000.
Match temp and ph.

Cut the goldfish sponge filter to fit the new filter. Is it a juwel tank.
If the sponge is fine from the goldfish tank. Add it the fine sponges in the filter compartment.
Don't add the new sponge to the goldfish tank just incase the fish has ntd.
You will have to buy another new sponge for the goldfish tank.

 

[danb]

If you suspect false ntd treat in hospital tank with esha 2000.
Match temp and ph.

Cut the goldfish sponge filter to fit the new filter. Is it a juwel tank.
If the sponge is fine from the goldfish tank. Add it the fine sponges in the filter compartment.
Don't add the new sponge to the goldfish tank just incase the fish has ntd.
You will have to buy another new sponge for the goldfish tank.

Thank you, i have a fluval u2 filter in my goldfish tank and a juwel internal filter in my tropical tank. Its only a small sponge in the goldfish tank, no way near the size of the juwel sponges. Ill just stuff it inbetween the fine sponges for a week.

Also for the hospital tank, should i take water from my tropical tank or goldfish tank?

 

[WILDER]

The fluval 2 no good for goldfish there massive waste producers. How many gallons does the filter turn over.
How many gallons is the goldfish tank.
How many goldfish and which type.

Use the tropical tank water and then add some fresh water to fill to top.
Don't use the goldfish water as the tank temp will be different.
You need to match ph and temp before you move the fish.

 

[danb]

The fluval 2 no good for goldfish there massive waste producers. How many gallons does the filter turn over.
How many gallons is the goldfish tank.
How many goldfish and which type.

Use the tropical tank water and then add some fresh water to fill to top.
Don't use the goldfish water as the tank temp will be different.
You need to match ph and temp before you move the fish.

Its a 60l tank. 1 black moor, 2 oranda's and 3 chinese sucking loaches.

Ill make sure to match tank temperatures and ph.

Im not sure what the turnover of the filter is, it says for 45 - 110 l tanks

 

[WILDER]

You need at least a 30 gallon for two goldfish, and loaches.
60 gallon filter.
I doubt the fluval keeping up with the waste of the fish.

 

[danb]

Just an update, neon tetra has been in hospital tank for 3 days now, seemed ok and swimming around for the first day or 2. Went to him this morning and he was barely breathing, poor fella. Have been treating with esha 2000 on 25litre tank. He isnt dead yet but i fully expect him to be when i get home tonight. One thing i did notice is that his tail fin had gone, not eaten as he is by himself, and he was still getting skinnier; when i was feeding him it was like he couldnt keep the food in, it went in his mouth then straight back out, he attempted 3-4 more times on each bit then just left it. Sometimes he kept some in.

Do you think it was an internal parasite?

Also, how do i steralise the equipment now? I usually keep the sponge from that filter in my main tank filter, do i need to clean this in water before i do this?

Thanks for your help.

 

[WILDER]

Ntd is a internal parasite.

Don't add anything back to the main tank out of the hospital tank.

Throw the sponge away and steralise everything in the hospital tank.
If you use any maintance equipment on both tanks, steralise them too.

Keep an eye on your fish for ntd signs in main tank.

Sorry about the neon he sounds to far gone to save.It might be kinder to end his misery.

 

[danb]

Ntd is a internal parasite.

Don't add anything back to the main tank out of the hospital tank.

Throw the sponge away and steralise everything in the hospital tank.
If you use any maintance equipment on both tanks, steralise them too.

Keep an eye on your fish for ntd signs in main tank.

Sorry about the neon he sounds to far gone to save.It might be kinder to end his misery.

Thanks for your help, i didnt have the heart to do it this morning. He was still breathing and while he is still has a chance. What can i use to steralise the equipment? i popped him into my main tank this morning so i could see him under the light for a matter of 30 seconds. This should be okay? bearing in mind he has been in the all the time apart from the last 3 days?

danny

 

[WILDER]

No it not wise to add a sick fish to the main tank.
But it he does have ntd the tank could be infected anyway.

Throw substrate aways and plants.
Bleach tank and rinse well, then let dry out for aday.
Steralise filter in bleach and rinse well, let dry out for aday.
Steralise heater using the same method, and airstone.

Throw filter sponge away aswell.

Steralise the net in bleach, rinse well and let dry out.

 

[danb]

No it not wise to add a sick fish to the main tank.
But it he does have ntd the tank could be infected anyway.

Throw substrate aways and plants.
Bleach tank and rinse well, then let dry out for aday.
Steralise filter in bleach and rinse well, let dry out for aday.
Steralise heater using the same method, and airstone.

Throw filter sponge away aswell.

Steralise the net in bleach, rinse well and let dry out.

Thank you

i will do this for the hospital tank, for the main tank, this wont be possible. Do i just need to keep an eye on the tank for any signs? The only thing i have noticed, for a while, on the underneath fin and top fin of the tetras, just some of them, theres like a white line, it doesnt look like white spot or anything and has been noticeable for some time.

Also, just general household bleach?

 

[WILDER]

The white line just make sure there not spots or fluffy cotton wool.

Normal household bleach is fine. But you must rinse well and let dry out.