Whisper Bio Bag Filters

flip

Fish Crazy
Joined
Nov 28, 2009
Messages
203
Reaction score
0
Location
usa
i have been reading a lot on here about filter media and such and didnt see anything about the disposable whisper bio-bag filters. that is what i have been using. do they have media on them? what about the sponges i keep seeing mentioned? sorry bout all the questions, but i have no clue about any of this! and to think i thought raising a couple of boys was hard:)
 
Unfortunately, the retail and manufacturing sides of the hobby have different priorities from us hobbyists for the stuff that goes into a filter. For them its important to "move merchandise," to keep up the steady repeat sales of things. For us its all about functionality for the keeping of healthy fish and the ease of use and maintenance.

Filters have three functions: chemical filtration, biological filtration and mechanical filtration. When we all start out as beginners, only mechanical filtration makes sense, it just means "catching the dirt particles." Chemical filtration turns out to be an optional, special thing that we only do when there's need, like removing medications we've put in or other rare occurances. The really important one is biological filtration.

Fish waste and plant debris are broken down in the tank by heterotrophic bacteria that reside in the water. They turn it into ammonia(NH3) and this is a deadly poison to fish. Ammonia, even in small amounts, causes permanent gill damage, leading to shortened lifespan and possible death. The biological media we put in our filters is meant to be the perfect place for beneficial bacteria to grow. It has lots of little crevices they can anchor to and begin to produce "biofilm" which they need to coat themselves with so they can grow and reproduce. The first species we want to attract are ones that can oxidize ammonia into nitrite(NO2) and we like to call them A-Bacs for short.

Once the A-Bacs get going, the nitrite(NO2) gets produced. Nitrite(NO2) is also deadly. Even in tiny amounts, nitrite causes permanent nerve damage because it latches onto the fish blood hemoglobin proteins, just like oxygen, and destroys them. The brain is usually damaged first but other nerves are hurt too and the result is like ammonia, leading to shortened lives and possible death.

On our same biomedia, another species can be grown, which we call N-Bacs bacause they are nitrite oxidizing bacteria. They eat the nitrite(NO2) and turn it into nitrate(NO3) which is much less deadly than either NH3 or NO2. Nitrate(NO3) can be removed with weekly water changes.

So the good biological filtration media, or "biomedia," has the characteristic of huge surface area and is made of a neutral substance and is of a shape that can pack together to also accomplish some mechanical filtration too. The very best biomedia types are sponges and ceramics. The ceramics (like the rough feeling stuff inside a kiln oven, is an example I can think of) are sometimes formed into rings (or sometimes people call the noodles) so that they can "randomize" the incoming stream of water and slow it down so that the particles will settle and be filtered out. They also come as "ceramic pebbles" which can pack together tighter and catch the next smaller size of particles. But all the while, the bacteria that grow on the surfaces of the sponge or ceramic is busy eating up the poisons and converting it into the more harmless nitrate for later removal from the tank. The bacteria grow really well in the filter because the surfaces are right and because there is food (ammonia) flowing by and because the water has a good supply of oxygen due to its steady flow.

All this is by way of explaining WHY we hobbyists like to choose and know about our filter media! Those little Whisper bio-bags do indeed have a little bit of biomedia in them, perhaps a little bit of spongy material. But unfortunately they are really pretty pitiful compared to the big filtration bed found in a typical large filter. And if you take them out and replace them then, just as you may imagine, you are throwing out all your hard-won bacteria that took a couple months to grow! Hobbyists like to keep their ceramic media going for a lifetime and their sponges going for years and years before gradual replacement. So... I recommend you don't replace your whisper biobags, just rinse them in some of the just-removed tank water during your weekend water change so that the debris will be lifted out.

Sorry this is so long but you can save it away to come back and read from time to time and hopefully right after I post this someone will give you the one-liner answer :lol: ...

~~waterdrop~~ :)
 
Sorry this is so long but you can save it away to come back and read from time to time and hopefully right after I post this someone will give you the one-liner answer :lol: ...


no. they dont have "media" on them. they are a form of media.

lol. sorry, i had to
 
The bio-bags that come with whispers are sufficient for smaller aquariums, in fact I run a whisper on my 5g. The preference on here is for filters that are not based on carbon filtration, such as aquaclears, canisters or internal filters. The reason is that carbon is only effective for a few days before it simply becomes mediocre bio-media. Furthermore when you change the media (which is relatively often compared to better filters) you take out a good chunk of the bacteria. This has never caused a problem for me, but in a bigger tank it would be a risky game to play.

So while it is not a top-of-the line design, the whisper filter will work just fine for your purposes. Be aware that switching to a primarily biological filter (eg the Aquaclear Line or Fluval Plus) will pretty much pay for itsself in the long term since you pretty-much never have to change the media, wheras with a whisper you will be paying up to bucks a month for media.
 
one of the benefits of the whisper system as opposed to other cartridge based HOB filters, is that the addition of carbon is done manually, and as such you can chose not to use it. while the bag does not allow for much space for media, you can probably get a fine bio media like matrix, or substrat pro on there. then you would just remove the media and move it into the new bio-bag whenever you change them out.

but as mentioned above, you will gain a lot by switching to an AquaClear HOB
 
I have some of thee biobag filters, although I prefer both my sponges and canisters. The do an adequate job and are easy to clean. When the bag wears out and can no longer be used, it makes a good stuffing material for the next bag. That way you don't have to give up the biofiltration that you have grown. I am specifically talking about this filter system.
CartridgeParts.jpg
Cartridge.jpg
 
So... I recommend you don't replace your whisper biobags, just rinse them in some of the just-removed tank water during your weekend water change so that the debris will be lifted out.

Just a technicality, the actual bag part degenerates over time and starts to fall apart by about 1 1/2 months of use. I have left them for long, and well, lets just say I'm glad I checked... I pulled one out after about 6 weeks and the bio bag was pretty much light brown sludge hanging off of the frame, despite my rinsing it weekly. I can only extrapolate that they will explode given enough time and pump all the carbon and crud into your tank.

So don't make this mistake!


I still only change them when they start to 'sag' though.
 
you should change them according to manufacturers specs. these thin foam bags are not meant to be rinsed and reused. ss stated above, they are pretty brittle and will fall apart. you may be able to get away with it a couple of times, but each time you clean it, you risk compromising its function. same goes with all other cartridge style HOB filters. they were not designed to be reused, unlike canisters and AC HOB filters which use a much thicker and more durable media which can be cleaned without compromising its function.

the whisper filters work pretty good for what they offer, but you shouldn't try to push them too far. if you want to get more filter for your money, you should definitely look into an AquaClear HOB.
IME these whisper filters with the bio-bag style cartridges are much better than their penguin/emperor counterparts. they offer the same filtration at a fraction of the cost, and make it much easier to leave out the useless carbon.
 
Mine get cleaned only when flow is reduced and in that way are lasting well over a year with gentle rinsing at each cleaning. I literally just squeeze the empty bag 3 or 4 times in used tank water before returning it to the frame and back into the filter. The tiny pouches of carbon they give you for the refills are a joke. If I actually needed carbon for something, I would dump at least 4 or 5 of those into the cloth bag before I would expect any effect at all.
 
thank you for the info! so i need to look into a better filter, but until i can get one my filter now takes two of the filter cartridges, so can i just change one every few weeks and just rinse until they need replaced and that will help me keep my good bacteria right?
 
IME these whisper filters with the bio-bag style cartridges are much better than their penguin/emperor counterparts. they offer the same filtration at a fraction of the cost, and make it much easier to leave out the useless carbon.

I disagree. I have used both and I have found in my experience that the penguin/emporer are far superior to the whisper filters.
 
i think it all depends on the persons' opinion. i use the whisper bio bag filters and have not had any problem. when i cleaned my filter the first time i got rid of the carbon it came with and squeezed the filter a few times in the old tank water and put the frame back on. it does what it has too and hasnt quit on me yet! i dont mind paying the $1.52 for the new bag whenever mine is falling apart. i just stuff it into the new bag until the media can transfer to the new bag and then out it goes at cleaning time! best of luck to you!
 

Most reactions

Back
Top