What Is Wrong With Carbon?

[AlphaBetta]

2 perhaps not, but i do know that heavier than air items fall down and not at right angles. i not sure but most people cover their tanks

So fumes cannot get into the tank because it's covered? Next time I go outside I'll remember to use an umbrella and wear a raincoat to protect myself from air pollution...

4 yes! do some research!

Why should I do your homework? If you claim aliens exist you should provide evidence.

finally who the hell are you to tell members what they can post. i suggest you grow up fast. but perhaps, on reflection, it already too late

It's called staying on topic..last time I checked the topic was carbon.

Alphabetta, i think i'd benefit the entire community if you'd adjust your attitude and stop personally attacking other people for voicing their different opinions.

Who's attacking? It's a discussion don't like it don't read it.

 

[InaneCathode]

2 perhaps not, but i do know that heavier than air items fall down and not at right angles. i not sure but most people cover their tanks

So fumes cannot get into the tank because it's covered? Next time I go outside I'll remember to use an umbrella and wear a raincoat to protect myself from air pollution...

4 yes! do some research!

Why should I do your homework? If you claim aliens exist you should provide evidence.

finally who the hell are you to tell members what they can post. i suggest you grow up fast. but perhaps, on reflection, it already too late

It's called staying on topic..last time I checked the topic was carbon.

Alphabetta, i think i'd benefit the entire community if you'd adjust your attitude and stop personally attacking other people for voicing their different opinions.

Who's attacking? It's a discussion don't like it don't read it.

You're attacking.

"So fumes cannot get into the tank because it's covered? Next time I go outside I'll remember to use an umbrella and wear a raincoat to protect myself from air pollution..." Taunting
"why should i do your homework" Denegrating rhetorical question
"It's called...last time i checked" Those are both aggressive, combative cliches.
"It's a discussion, dont like it dont read it" Also a combative connotation

Just because you don't outright call someone a mean poopy head doesnt mean you overtly imply in in your speech.

 

[InaneCathode]

Do most people use carbon? I don't know. I have never seen a poll of any sorts that asks the question

Most people use carbon to remove MEDICATIONS..why is that? Answering a question with a question isn't answering it at all

How does carbon keep them out of the water?

How does carbon keep medications out of the water? Magic? Who knows? Who cares? How do birds fly? Who cares? Implying noone cares about the solution to a problem is a debating cheap shot and a blatant misdirection

Do you mean to say that they are still there, just not reacting with the fish (you hope)?

Yes people HOPE and PRAY that carbon removes medications because they have no idea if it works or not even though it's printed on some medication directions..or maybe they do it because they have nothing better to do and just like to waste money.. I might have to ask the ORACLE for the answer to that question..give me a few days. Being sarcastic and combative along with implying every user of carbon is a crazy mojo-practicing moron is both wildly inaccurate and offensive. Furthermore, molecular physics says activated carbon is a filter.

How do you know that the carbon will deal with the perfumes and chemicals before other organic compounds in the water?

How do you know little green aliens from other planets don't like hamburgers?Again, detracting, distracting, and sarcastic question-answers arent answers at all

As to smoking, I know of plenty of aquarists who have seen no ill effects from smoking near their fish despite.

I've seen smokers die from lung cancer due to eating french fries and playing volleyball. In fact they die right away right after the first puff. They never ever die many years down the road from lung cancer..never.I personally can't tell if you're sarcastic or trying to be funny, but the above quoted user isnt talking about humans and atmospheric pollution

I don't see CFC with carbon in his filters yet I do know that both he and I have smoked while watching his rays feed.

I've seen Elvis smoking marijuana. I just talked to him last night..he's living in Jamaica now. He gets high along with his pet fish.Again, can't discern wether you're trying to be funny or not, but the above quoted user brought up a perfectly valid point, which you dismissed with a completely rediculous and off topic comment

If you are pumping that many chemicals into the air that a 20% per week water change cannot handle it then I would be inclined to believe that the carbon won't either, unless replaced very often (daily going by the sources posted earlier in this thread).

There's a difference between removing substances from water on a realtime basis versus a non-realtime eg weekly basis. Going by your logic we should leave a filter off and only turn it on once a week..sounds like a great I idea. I think I'll try that and see if there is any *ill effects*.. He never suggested turning the filter on once a week. He's talking about chemicals removed by carbon, not by other materials. Your assumption is not only personally denegrating but flat innacurate. What do you mean by real time and non-realtime? As far as i know there's no such thing.

We know it does not have any effect on chlorine

Who is this we you speak of? Everything I've read so far about carbon states that it removes free chlorine from water. I'd lke to see where you got your information from. We is the fish community, and the scientific community. I'd ask you the same question, where have you read active carbon removes free chlorine?

 

[raptorrex]

2 perhaps not, but i do know that heavier than air items fall down and not at right angles. i not sure but most people cover their tanks

So fumes cannot get into the tank because it's covered? Next time I go outside I'll remember to use an umbrella and wear a raincoat to protect myself from air pollution...

4 yes! do some research!

Why should I do your homework? If you claim aliens exist you should provide evidence.

finally who the hell are you to tell members what they can post. i suggest you grow up fast. but perhaps, on reflection, it already too late

It's called staying on topic..last time I checked the topic was carbon.

Alphabetta, i think i'd benefit the entire community if you'd adjust your attitude and stop personally attacking other people for voicing their different opinions.

Who's attacking? It's a discussion don't like it don't read it.

lol not quite sure why you are so combative, but as you wish. try this. YOU post the information that supports your stand, as i have, if you cant or cant be bothered, get off the thread, and leave it to people who do wish to discuss the subject.

again it is not your job to keep the thread on track, indeed the posts, were mealy trying to avoid you getting in trouble with the forum mods. it also not a good idea to consistently, abuse or deride members. it may colour how your threads are answered in the future. thinking about it perhaps you need a soap box, rather than a forum, to expound your views. A slightly more restrained attitude would help us all.

 

[AlphaBetta]

Answering a question with a question isn't answering it at all

Illogical questions get questions for answers...make sense? It's not supposed to. Sideline commentaries without questions or answers to avoid the issue is called offtopic btw.

Implying noone cares about the solution to a problem is a debating cheap shot and a blatant misdirection

Umm..no.. There is no problem, as such, basic logic says a solution isn't required. Carbon works end of story. If you want to delve into how it works that's your job to find out not mine.

Being sarcastic and combative along with implying every user of carbon is a crazy mojo-practicing moron is both wildly inaccurate and offensive. Furthermore, molecular physics says activated carbon is a filter.

Apparently you didn't get it.

Again, detracting, distracting, and sarcastic question-answers arent answers at all.

Illogical questions get questions for answers..make sense? It's not supposed to.

I personally can't tell if you're sarcastic or trying to be funny, but the above quoted user isnt talking about humans and atmospheric pollution.

Apparently you didn't get it.

Again, can't discern wether you're trying to be funny or not, but the above quoted user brought up a perfectly valid point, which you dismissed with a completely rediculous and off topic comment.

Apparently you didn't get it.

He never suggested turning the filter on once a week.

Nobody said he did. Apparently you didn't get the "Going by your logic" part.

He's talking about chemicals removed by carbon, not by other materials. Your assumption is not only personally denegrating but flat innacurate.

Apparently you didn't get it.

What do you mean by real time and non-realtime?

What I mean is self defining. Real-time = instantaneous. Weekly is not real-time. The only way water changes can be real-time is if you have a continuous flow of new water coming in from an outside source or through a filter.

As far as i know there's no such thing.

Apparently there is such a thing as described above.

We is the fish community, and the scientific community. I'd ask you the same question, where have you read active carbon removes free chlorine?

For this one I'll just quote you:

question-answers arent answers at all

 

[Phisher]

Keep banning CFC, we know you like censoring information that doesn't agree with you. Hey truth hurts eh?

I see your mod buddies are trying to protect your credibility or lack thereoff.

 

[andywg]

Face it dude, you lose the argument and then resort to flaming and trolling. Bring some science to the debate and people might listen, but now everyone will just see you as a bitter person who can't cope with being proved wrong.

 

[nukeonekitty]

Yeah dude, this thread got lame like 2 pages ago... I went and did my own research and I know where I stand!

 

[OohFeeshy]

Indeed. I haven't seen a single useful piece of information about use of carbon from AlphaBetta in the last two, three, four pages. Just a lotta flaming. How sad is that- if you can;t come up with anything more intelligent and comprehensive than 'Apparently you didn't get it.', just keep your mouth shut until you can...

At the end of the day, those who don't use it see no benefit (if there was a great deal of benefit they would be using it) and those who do, well, it's your fish money you're chucking away on fancy products. We'll spend the money you spent on carbon on cracking fish.

 

[Squid]

I feel a thread closure coming on.. in fact, i would encourage it.

Squid

 

[Haha]

Face it dude, you lose the argument and then resort to flaming and trolling. Bring some science to the debate and people might listen, but now everyone will just see you as a bitter person who can't cope with being proved wrong.

LOL always asking for science when you provide none of your own. Keep making those hollow claims in that alternate reality you're living in and keep on puffing..I'm sure there are no ill effects...what a fool..hey it's your life and your fish..LOL. Maybe you can come and visit Elvis and his fish sometime...LMAO!!

Indeed. I haven't seen a single useful piece of information about use of carbon from AlphaBetta in the last two, three, four pages. Just a lotta flaming. How sad is that- if you can;t come up with anything more intelligent and comprehensive than 'Apparently you didn't get it.', just keep your mouth shut until you can...

Apparently reading comprehension and intelligence is not your forte. I sense that you are also a defensive smoker...LMAO.

At the end of the day, those who don't use it see no benefit (if there was a great deal of benefit they would be using it) and those who do, well, it's your fish money you're chucking away on fancy products. We'll spend the money you spent on carbon on cracking fish.

Don't knock it because you don't use it and/or can't afford it unless you can show with intelligent and comprehensive support that show carbon is harmful and/or has no uses..oh and don't point out the lame excuse that it leaches stuff back into the tank..we don't need you to tell us to use seatbelts...LMAO.

 

[andywg]

LOL always asking for science when you provide none of your own. Keep making those hollow claims in that alternate reality you're living in and keep on puffing..I'm sure there are no ill effects...what a fool..hey it's your life and your fish..LOL. Maybe you can come and visit Elvis and his fish sometime...LMAO!!

Every thread you have contributed has had science posted in rebuttal to your claims. It is at that point you are found out and have to resort to flaming, as evidenced here. You always state you won't accept a view until it is scientifically backed (despite no such support for your view) and once it is provided you turn to personal insults.

 

[Haha]

LOL always asking for science when you provide none of your own. Keep making those hollow claims in that alternate reality you're living in and keep on puffing..I'm sure there are no ill effects...what a fool..hey it's your life and your fish..LOL. Maybe you can come and visit Elvis and his fish sometime...LMAO!!

Every thread you have contributed has had science posted in rebuttal to your claims. It is at that point you are found out and have to resort to flaming, as evidenced here. You always state you won't accept a view until it is scientifically backed (despite no such support for your view) and once it is provided you turn to personal insults.

LMAO..you are in denial. You must be talking about that RO thread which you couldn't thoroughly rebutt, but THINK you did. Funny how those scientific links you posted essentially said the same thing I did-->FW fish can use trace elements from food as well as water and that TA in water isn't as important to FW fish as SW. You also made the false assumption that RO removes everything..wrong it doesn't remove everything..well maybe in your alternate reality it does. Only distillation removes everything. DI also comes close. Providing scientific links that support the opposing party doesn't support your own argument, but I guess in your alternate reality it does. I'm still waiting for that link that says carbon doesn't remove chlorine..lol. Regardless maybe if you laid down the pipe and face reality you'd get it.

 

[andywg]

that TA in water isn't as important for FW fish as SW

Not a single source said that anywhere. If it did, post the link here. Maybe it is you that should lay the pipe down?

 

[DazedNCoNfUsEd]

Just look at what you did nukeonekitty, shame shame........ lol, j/k


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