Two Deaths

[WILDER]

No flicking and rubbing.
Any excess slime on the fish body or gills.

The only symtom is heavy breathing since adding the pimafix and melafix.
Sorry getting tired now and not taking info in to well.
You added some fresh black carbon.

 

[ThievingScouser]

No flicking and rubbing.
Any excess slime on the fish body or gills.

The only symtom is heavy breathing since adding the pimafix and melafix.
Sorry getting tired now and not taking info in to well.
You added some fresh black carbon.

Oh, please don't stay up on my account.
Despite everything I'm going to have to head to bed myself soon, otherwise I'll be useless at work tomorrow. Work must come first, hmmmm

Yep, only symptom is breathing heavily. The rainbows have lost a lot of their bright red and are looking kinda dark.
I think one of my coreys might be on the way out. I've spotted one half on it's side a couple of times.

 

[TigerIssey]

Does your dechlorinator neutralise chloramines aswell as chlorine?
Has anything been sprayed in the room?
Do you live anywhere where anything may be sprayed outside with the window open?

It definately sounds like some kind of toxin that has set this off, it is either something in the water, it has started raining alot again, fields around reservoirs have been sprayed with muck so it is possible the water company have upped the amount of chlorine or added chloramine aswell. It is possible that it is melafix and pimafix, but they usually can be used together.

If you could answer the questions, I will try and help.

 

[WILDER]

Hubby a farmer and he been spraying chemicals, but not when it breezy. Do you live near farmland.

I agree with tigerissay something gotten into your tank water or its the meds. Check the date on the meds to make sure its not out of date.
Did you remove all other meds with black carbon before redosing.

 

[ThievingScouser]

The dechlorinator I use is Tetra Aqua Safe. It says it neutralises chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals.

Nothing's been sprayed in the room, the bathrooms next door .... at least one of the doors between would be shut.
I'm not particularly close to any farmers fields.... maybe 1/2 a mile away.

The bedroom window opens onto the high street (1st floor), I can't think anything could have been sprayed out there.

 

[WILDER]

All you can do really is another water change. Which you don't want to hear at this time of night.
Double the declorinator just to be on the safe side.
Had any road works done in the last few days.

 

[ThievingScouser]

Check the date on the meds to make sure its not out of date.

Did you remove all other meds with black carbon before redosing.

The Melafix (exp 08/2011) and Pimafix (exp 11/2010) seem ok.

I didn't remove any meds other than through a water change.
The first time the carbon has been in in the last couple of weeks is tonight.

 

[WILDER]

How long does it say to use the melafix before running black carbon.
Only ever used melafix once and that was years ago. So forgotten instructions. Wondering if its an overdose of meds.

 

[ThievingScouser]

The Melafix says to run for 7 days then do 25% water change. Treatment can be continued if necessary.
The only thing it says about carbon is to remove it before treatment.


The only thing I wonder about doing a further water change, is if it's something in the tap water. Can you safely double up on dechlorinator?

The only other option is to go to the Aquatics shop tomorrow and buy up all their RO water

 

[WILDER]

Signs of toxins in the water are laboured breathing or gasping at surface of tank, darting, excess mucas, rolling over in the water.

Take a look here to see what you think.
http/www.aquarticles.com/articles/manage..._sick_fish.html

 

[WILDER]

How did you do the water change.
Did you use a bucket if so was it rinsed before use. And do you use the bucket for anything else.
Also have you used any chemicals in the sink which you took the water from or basin.

 

[ThievingScouser]

How did you do the water change.
Did you use a bucket if so was it rinsed before use. And do you use the bucket for anything else.
Also have you used any chemicals in the sink which you took the water from or basin.

I've a big 40l flexi plastic water change bucket that's only used to take water to and from the tank. It gets hosed out in the bath before tap water goes in.

I've a 2l plastic jug I fill from the kitchen tap, and pour when full into the big bucket.
There'd have been soaps etc in the kitchen sink, however I'm careful to hold the jug under the water stream.

 

[WILDER]

How are the fish now. Any improvement.

 

[TigerIssey]

Doubling the dechlorinator is perfectly safe, it will help alongside the carbon in removing any toxins that are present.

It is very possible that the water company has increased the chlorine amount and or chloramine amount as it has rained alot in a time when farmers are spraying, it is also lambing season, a time when many sheep and lambs can be found dead. This is usually as a precaution incase there are any parasites in the water that would make the water unfit for human consumption, since moving to the country, I have realised that these events do correlate with increased chlorine, I also know this from work of course as a Biomedical Scientist in Microbiology.

Just out of interest, have you checked your pH as a sudden change in pH can cause breathing at the surface.

 

[ThievingScouser]

Signs of toxins in the water are laboured breathing or gasping at surface of tank, darting, excess mucas, rolling over in the water.

Take a look here to see what you think.
[URL="http/www.aquarticles.com/articles/manage..._sick_fish.html"]http/www.aquarticles.com/articles/manage..._sick_fish.html[/URL]

The fish have all seemed to have good equilibrium. They're not flicking or moving erratically.

However the Siamese Algae Eaters are mainly staying on the floor tonight, the gold nugget plec is right at the top of the tank, the danios and blue & red rainbowfish are hanging around the very top of the tank swimming gently, and the coreys are making regular trips to the surface. All out of character for each fish.