Tropical Rams: How To Feed?

[mark4785]

I find it unbelievable that you are asking for advice yet telling people not to give you very good sound advice at the same time. If you haven't owned tropical fish before then how can you know better? I refer again to my comment on lfs staff!

Firstly, I very much value you the advise given here when it is the advise I am seeking. I require advise with regards to feeding and I reinforced that in an earlier post, but yet you still have gone down the critical root of the rights and wrongs of stocking. In my opinion, the stocking is fine, I don't want yours or anybodies opinion with regards to this matter. This topic was purely intended for discussion of relevant aquatics foods.

You said I am "reluctant to state the name of the un identified fish". Reluctant being the key word here. That's your wrong interpretation of my conversation lol. I am not reluctant, I just haven't gotten around to taking a picture yet. Again, this topic WASN'T for identifying a fish, it was about suitable foods.

Lastly, I just thought I'd point out that I don't appreciate stereotypical comments towards LFS' in general. Every LFS is different, some good and some bad. In my case I visited a LFS with people with a passion for fishkeeping.

 

[Curiosity101]

Firstly, I very much value you the advise given here when it is the advise I am seeking. I require advise with regards to feeding and I reinforced that in an earlier post, but yet you still have gone down the critical root of the rights and wrongs of stocking. In my opinion, the stocking is fine, I don't want yours or anybodies opinion with regards to this matter. This topic was purely intended for discussion of relevant aquatics foods.

You said I am "reluctant to state the name of the un identified fish". Reluctant being the key word here. That's your wrong interpretation of my conversation lol. I am not reluctant, I just haven't gotten around to taking a picture yet. Again, this topic WASN'T for identifying a fish, it was about suitable foods.

Lastly, I just thought I'd point out that I don't appreciate stereotypical comments towards LFS'.

Until you've been around these boards for awhile you wont appreciate the reason we air on the side of caution with regards to lfs advice. Also you're new to fishkeeping, you'll soon come to understand that 'your' opinion isn't neccesarily correct...not in the sense of 'you' personally. But you meaning a single opinion.

Our advice is always based on many things, including many many peopls experiences. We only reply cause we care and cause we don't want to see you back here in a months time stressed because some of your fish are looking ill/stressed due to bullying. Or they're dying and you don't know why.

We like fish keeping, we want new keepers to enjoy it too and not get disheartened because they choose to accept the advice of the wrong person. Your local fish shop may be great... but judging by what they've sent you home with I would say this probably isn't the case... Also the fact you are unsure as to what your 'clown fish' is, that's quite worrying...

If your lfs was that great I would have thought they would have sent you home with a clear knowledge of what fish you have.

This is the last I'm going to say on it. Just please take two mins to actually think about what I've said.

 

[mark4785]

Firstly, I very much value you the advise given here when it is the advise I am seeking. I require advise with regards to feeding and I reinforced that in an earlier post, but yet you still have gone down the critical root of the rights and wrongs of stocking. In my opinion, the stocking is fine, I don't want yours or anybodies opinion with regards to this matter. This topic was purely intended for discussion of relevant aquatics foods.

You said I am "reluctant to state the name of the un identified fish". Reluctant being the key word here. That's your wrong interpretation of my conversation lol. I am not reluctant, I just haven't gotten around to taking a picture yet. Again, this topic WASN'T for identifying a fish, it was about suitable foods.

Lastly, I just thought I'd point out that I don't appreciate stereotypical comments towards LFS'.

Until you've been around these boards for awhile you wont appreciate the reason we air on the side of caution with regards to lfs advice. Also you're new to fishkeeping, you'll soon come to understand that 'your' opinion isn't neccesarily correct...not in the sense of 'you' personally. But you meaning a single opinion.

Our advice is always based on many things, including many many peopls experiences. We only reply cause we care and cause we don't want to see you back here in a months time stressed because some of your fish are looking ill/stressed due to bullying. Or they're dying and you don't know why.

We like fish keeping, we want new keepers to enjoy it too and not get disheartened because they choose to accept the advice of the wrong person. Your local fish shop may be great... but judging by what they've sent you home with I would say this probably isn't the case... Also the fact you are unsure as to what your 'clown fish' is, that's quite worrying...

If your lfs was that great I would have thought they would have sent you home with a clear knowledge of what fish you have.

This is the last I'm going to say on it. Just please take two mins to actually think about what I've said.

Well I believe it's called a Rainbowfish. I asked for a compatible fish to go with Rams and the aquarium. I had forgotten the name, the LFS had the name of the fish clearly listed. Why are you under the impression that the LFS was disorganised or amateur?

I am not new to fishkeeping in general, I have been keeping coldwater fish for around 3 years. I've been registered here for over a year and I fully understand why your cautious towards LFS, but I do not understand why you're very rude towards them and even me for some reason. The LFS I went to has 30 years of experience under it's belt, that is why I trust their advise. You're going to have to learn to respect my opinion because I'm starting to lose my patience to be honest.

 

[fishnovice]

could the "clown" be a clown pleco?Never had one but as a general rule plecs tend to be good universal tankmates though many grow too big

 

[mark4785]

could the "clown" be a clown pleco?Never had one but as a general rule plecs tend to be good universal tankmates though many grow too big

Hey, the basic name for it is 'Rainbowfish' come to think of it. I think it's best I take a photo of it. The LFS employee said it only grows to 2 and a half inches.

 

[Curiosity101]

There's no such thing as a clown rainbowfish. And if it is a rainbowfish then it should be in a shoal of 5 or more... so that's a sign of an un knowledgable lfs.

Also selling 6 rams to a 120l tank is just asking for trouble. You will probably find you end up with a couple of aggressive dominant fish that bully the rest. I speak from my own and many others personal experience... this is another sign of a less than knowledgable lfs.

Also I think the biggest question is... how come as someone new to fish keeping YOU are so sure the lfs is so knowledgable? If you have nothing to compare it to, and are just going by their advice... how can you possibly presume after having kept fish for 2 days that they are correct?

As for rainbow fish it could be anything... if it's one of the smaller species then I'd guess is a bosemani rainbowfish or dwarf neon rainbowfish or possibly even a threadfin rainbowfish.

 

[mark4785]

Curiousity, if trouble brews in the tank, I will sort it out with or without the advise of people here. Please don't take offence to this fact. People in this world are entitled to their opinions, you clearly don't know where to draw a line and stop imposing your beliefs on others. Sure, I listen and appreciate your advise, but I if I personally believe that the opinion of somebody else is more valid, normally people just accept that.

I have enough experience of water chemistry to make up my own mind based on the facts given from a range of sources and with regards to species compatibility, I have chosen to go with the advise given to me at the LFS. If that is a wrong decision then so be it, I don't want you or anybody telling me prematurely whether it was a right/wrong decision.

If it needs to be pointed out yet again, I DID NOT at ANY point ask for ANYBODIES advise with regards to STOCKING!

Back on topic,

Thankfully the fish are now eating the floating food offered to them, even the bottom dwellers.

Problem solved I think

 

[Curiosity101]

I'm not trying to tell you what to do. I'm just trying to tell you to look at things from more than one perspective. If you've looked at things from both perspectives and you still think you're right then that's absolutely fine.

I just don't want to leave it with you blindly presuming that you should follow your lfs's advice without a second thought.

And so I DO know where to draw the line. Cause I'm not telling you what to do... just that with something like fishkeeping a narrow minded view or an opinion based on one experience could get you into trouble. It's something alot of people don't know until they end up with problems... excuse me for trying to help you avoid the pitfalls...

 

[mark4785]

I'm not trying to tell you what to do. I'm just trying to tell you to look at things from more than one perspective. If you've looked at things from both perspectives and you still think you're right then that's absolutely fine.

I just don't want to leave it with you blindly presuming that you should follow your lfs's advice without a second thought.

And so I DO know where to draw the line. Cause I'm not telling you what to do... just that with something like fishkeeping a narrow minded view or an opinion based on one experience could get you into trouble. It's something alot of people don't know until they end up with problems... excuse me for trying to help you avoid the pitfalls...

I'm afraid you are too strong-minded. You need to take a step back, you took it too far in that you were making many presumptions (cognitive-misers) with regards to the LFS and it seemed as though you couldn't accept that i'd formed an opinion. If it helps, this is the LFS website: http/www.wharfaquatics.co.uk/ .

I do agree that there may be some friction between the fish, but does it really concern anybody else? No. Did I create the thread to sort aggressiveness out? No. Thank you for discussing this issue anyway, but like I said, it was taken way too far.

Big_Eyes response didn't help either as he misinterpreted god knows how many things and quite frankly came across as a sarcastic jerk.

End of topic - problem resolved, thanks for the input!

 

[Curiosity101]

Just so you know you've totally mis interpreted what I was trying to get across. If you checked my other posts you'd see that. You thought I was telling you what to do...nope. It's just that new keepers often form opinions based on very few facts... you may not be that person. But I don't know you from anyone else, all I'm concerned about is you making informed choices...if I don't agree with them then that's that.

And I only formed my opinions of the shop based on the facts infront of me...ie your tank and what they'd sent you home with. Not just a general statement about lfs.

Live n let live, I'm not and never have been trying to tell you what to do (seriously go back and look). I've not told you to change any stock...change fish shops... add anything... change anything. Just making sure you aren't being fooled into believing everything you've been told just because you don't have any personal experience to contradict it yet.

 

[Assaye]

I'm rather shocked that someone who is keeping pets and presumably cares about the wellbeing and welfare of their pets is busy telling people that they should butt out and shut up about an issue that comes down to basic animal welfare.

I don't care whether or not the LFS has 30 years of experience and whether or not you've been keeping fish for 3 years. I don't care whether you believe you have some right to go through life without being annoyed by the opinions of others.

I don't care whether the people giving advice on your stocking are right or wrong.

The point is that your lfs has given you one story of how to care for your fish and stock your tank and you have developed your opinion and you are so concerned about preserving that blinkered view that you are actively telling people to be quiet. Does it not matter that these people might be right? Is it not worth doing some additional research? Do you place your "right" to a quiet and uncriticised life above the potential health and welfare of the animals you're looking after?

I'm not taking a side here in terms of the quality of the advice - personally I think if your lfs was so good you would know exactly what species this clown/rainbow is and how to care for it and you would also have been warned that 6 dwarf cichlids in your tank is asking for trouble when they start to mature. However, my issue isn't with what advise you are following but your attitude towards your fish and to the people here who simply want to make sure you have done enough research, know what you are doing and are not gambling with the heath and wellbeing of your animals.

If you love your animals you'll listen to what everyone here says. You don't have to take advice to be polite and gracious about recieving it.

 

[mark4785]

I'm rather shocked that someone who is keeping pets and presumably cares about the wellbeing and welfare of their pets is busy telling people that they should butt out and shut up about an issue that comes down to basic animal welfare.

I don't care whether or not the LFS has 30 years of experience and whether or not you've been keeping fish for 3 years. I don't care whether you believe you have some right to go through life without being annoyed by the opinions of others.

I don't care whether the people giving advice on your stocking are right or wrong.

The point is that your lfs has given you one story of how to care for your fish and stock your tank and you have developed your opinion and you are so concerned about preserving that blinkered view that you are actively telling people to be quiet. Does it not matter that these people might be right? Is it not worth doing some additional research? Do you place your "right" to a quiet and uncriticised life above the potential health and welfare of the animals you're looking after?

I'm not taking a side here in terms of the quality of the advice - personally I think if your lfs was so good you would know exactly what species this clown/rainbow is and how to care for it and you would also have been warned that 6 dwarf cichlids in your tank is asking for trouble when they start to mature. However, my issue isn't with what advise you are following but your attitude towards your fish and to the people here who simply want to make sure you have done enough research, know what you are doing and are not gambling with the heath and wellbeing of your animals.

If you love your animals you'll listen to what everyone here says. You don't have to take advice to be polite and gracious about recieving it.

I'm telling people to be quiet because I didn't ask for the stupid advise! For goodness sake!

I've already explained that the LFS was a professional outlet, and that it is purely my memory which has let me down with regards to recalling the name of the fish.

Now, your last comment plainy states I don't care for animals. I think only a stupid, rotten, EVIL bully could say that. TAKE THAT COMMENT OUT OF YOUR POST NOW!

I'm reporting any defamatory remarks here, thats totally out of order.

 

[Assaye]

I'm rather shocked that someone who is keeping pets and presumably cares about the wellbeing and welfare of their pets is busy telling people that they should butt out and shut up about an issue that comes down to basic animal welfare.

I don't care whether or not the LFS has 30 years of experience and whether or not you've been keeping fish for 3 years. I don't care whether you believe you have some right to go through life without being annoyed by the opinions of others.

I don't care whether the people giving advice on your stocking are right or wrong.

The point is that your lfs has given you one story of how to care for your fish and stock your tank and you have developed your opinion and you are so concerned about preserving that blinkered view that you are actively telling people to be quiet. Does it not matter that these people might be right? Is it not worth doing some additional research? Do you place your "right" to a quiet and uncriticised life above the potential health and welfare of the animals you're looking after?

I'm not taking a side here in terms of the quality of the advice - personally I think if your lfs was so good you would know exactly what species this clown/rainbow is and how to care for it and you would also have been warned that 6 dwarf cichlids in your tank is asking for trouble when they start to mature. However, my issue isn't with what advise you are following but your attitude towards your fish and to the people here who simply want to make sure you have done enough research, know what you are doing and are not gambling with the heath and wellbeing of your animals.

If you love your animals you'll listen to what everyone here says. You don't have to take advice to be polite and gracious about recieving it.

I'm telling people to be quiet because I didn't ask for the stupid advise! For goodness sake!

I've already explained that the LFS was a professional outlet, and that it is purely my memory which has let me down with regards to recalling the name of the fish.

Now, your last comment plainy states I don't care for animals. I think only a stupid, rotten, EVIL person could say that. TAKE THAT COMMENT OUT OF YOUR POST NOW!

No, I said that if you cared for your animals you would do very thorough research and would not simply rely on the advise from one shop, even if it seems reputable. I also said that it doesn't hurt to heed advice even if you didn't ask for it. I never said you didn't care.

Do you honestly think that the people on this forum who care about animals are going to let you make what they percieve to be a mistake without saying something? You've been on this forum for a while - you must know how many people come here asking for advice or just to show off their tank and then ignore the advice given when it is a matter of animal welfare.

No-one who cares about animals is going to shut up just because one poster thinks they've made the right decision or has the right opinion, especially when their opinion differs from the general consensus.

As I said, you're entitled to your opinion but you've handled this thread badly.

What is more evil - suggesting someone is making a mistake and hurting their feelings or letting them make that mistake (which could have animal welfare implications) without saying anything?

 

[SlyPolak]

Why dont you like to listen markymark???
We understand that you asked about one thing but they are trying to tell you their opinion about the other, probably from experience of keeping those fish or similar.
Then you go on calling people jerks??
Thick headed person that doesnt want to listen to ANYTHING unless its something they want to hear. LOL
Ram = cichlid.... no matter how "non-aggressive" they're supposed to be if you have too many in a small space there will be bullying!! no matter what!! plain and simple

 

[mark4785]

Why dont you like to listen markymark???
We understand that you asked about one thing but they are trying to tell you their opinion about the other, probably from experience of keeping those fish or similar.
Then you go on calling people jerks??
Thick headed person that doesnt want to listen to ANYTHING unless its something they want to hear. LOL
Ram = cichlid.... no matter how "non-aggressive" they're supposed to be if you have too many in a small space there will be bullying!! no matter what!! plain and simple

Apparently you didn't see me state that friction between them may occur. The LFS were not of this opinion but I think it's inevitable that some sort of friction will happen.