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Rlon35

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Today is the day I upgrade my lighting and take the next step in trying to try to master plants. Today is the day I add my final plants, and give my ground ground cover (micro/pygmy chain swords) more lighting. Today is the day I lay the foundation for what will either be a flourishing plant tank or an algae farm. My set-up and design/plans (much of it is not optimal, so bare with me):

55 galllon tank with glass canopy/substrate is gravel only/large piece of driftwood, with java fern and java fern lace attached, and anubias coming out of most available holes/crevaces.

Picking up compact flourescent lights at about 120 total watts - I know....a bit high from what I wanted, but I am going to go for it :good: My wife ordered this for me as a gift, after it was recommended by the plant expert at the LFS.

Filtration, Top Fin 30 hang-on (water level kept high to prevent agitation, and the glss canopy seems to eliminate water loss), Fluval 3 submersable, Fluval 305 canister. Carbon only kept in the hang-on. I can't find peat, yet I am worried that softening the water and increasing the scidity too much will adversely affect my rather buatiful gold and blua snails.

CO2 fermentation kit, only geared to 40 gallons ( runs when the lights are on)

Led Moonlights, run after timer sets off the main lights

Air pump also kicks in when lights go off.

Plants: Anubias (very large barteri, coffeeelia, smalller nanas), a cluster on nana pettite, onions (regular, dwarf, natan, and calistratum), Hortwort (huge/overgrown but preventing algea thus far - may have to cut it in the middle and use the tops to replant, from what I have read here), wisteria (thriving), moss balls, java moss, looking to add riccia on some kind of mesh crating), anacharis, banana plants (lagre and small), comboba, java fern, a beautiful amazon sword, chain swords, italian vallisneria, and more to be bought today. I have an aluminum plant in there that I am thinking of disposing of, or at least, cutting off the leaves with holes in them and using it as a small foreground plant. I think it is being eaten....also having some problems with stem plants, as you'd expect....sagitteria got eaten, I am sure by the pleco going after the bottom rooots. Broke off from the roots, but what I really like is Valliseneria, and, if I can find some jungle/americana, I'll give it a go. By the way, the pigmy chain swords came in a matt. I broke it in half and planted each piece to one of the sides of the center foreground/midground area. I want to to grow throughout the gravel of the tank.

Fish: 5 giant danios, 13 black neons, 1 dwarf rainbow, 2 clown loaches, 1 gold nugget, 3-4 ottos, and unknown number of panda corys (can't see them, but I know that several have died.....corys never seem to sruvive my tank, whether it's sue to hardness, or my former use of salt (when I set up the tank five plus years ago), or high nitrates. Thinking of adding Rams, Keyholes, Golden Algea Eater, perhaps even a Festivum Cichlid as the tank king. But, I will only opt for one or two of these options. Besides, I need to do some major testing on my water before adding anything else. I do need more algea eaters, so I will definitely invest in a few more otos at the least.

Fert schedule ?- Right now, all I add is Flourish Excel and Kent Freshwater Pro plant. I must resist being sold an extravagant fert. schedule today, when I pick up my plants and light. I am looking for the bare minimum in ferts, the most economical, and I don't want to overdo it on the additives. With the Kent products, it seems like I have lost Corys after using it, so I know there is nitrogen in there, and perhaps the nitrate levels are too much for the corys. I just wish I had a simple fert schedule, with the bare minimum of products, none of which willl increase nitrates or phosphorus......don't know if this is possible.


Questions....should I be looking at other fert, or can I just try what I have now for a while?

Are larger vallisisneria going to stand up to the loaches/nugget better? The italian seems to be doing fine.

Should I drastically cut back the hornwort, as it is now across half the surface of my tank despite being weighed under a rock /gravel?

How often should I be doing water changes and what percentage with this set-up and treatment schedule?

Will the riccia be nibbled upon, eatne, and/or otherwise ruined? I don't want to go through this painstaking task, if my fish are going to treat it like they did the Cuban Baby Tears,,,,,,?

Will Amano shrimp survive in my tank? With 5 inch cloen loaches?
 
take the carbon out.

Questions....should I be looking at other fert, or can I just try what I have now for a while?
It wil be ok, but if you want a fert that has no N or P in then go for Tropica plant nutrition.

Are larger vallisisneria going to stand up to the loaches/nugget better? The italian seems to be doing fine.
the loaches do have a tendancy to nibble at the stalks.

Should I drastically cut back the hornwort, as it is now across half the surface of my tank despite being weighed under a rock /gravel?
cut it as much as you want! The stem must be at least 4cm. plants love a good prune so it will probobaly bouce back even better!
How often should I be doing water changes and what percentage with this set-up and treatment schedule?
50% weekly is what i would do.

Will the riccia be nibbled upon, eatne, and/or otherwise ruined? I don't want to go through this painstaking task, if my fish are going to treat it like they did the Cuban Baby Tears,,,,,,?
Fish usually leave riccia alone.

Will Amano shrimp survive in my tank? With 5 inch cloen loaches?
doubt it, they will eat any inverts.
 
take the carbon out.

Questions....should I be looking at other fert, or can I just try what I have now for a while?
It wil be ok, but if you want a fert that has no N or P in then go for Tropica plant nutrition.

Are larger vallisisneria going to stand up to the loaches/nugget better? The italian seems to be doing fine.
the loaches do have a tendancy to nibble at the stalks.

Should I drastically cut back the hornwort, as it is now across half the surface of my tank despite being weighed under a rock /gravel?
cut it as much as you want! The stem must be at least 4cm. plants love a good prune so it will probobaly bouce back even better!
How often should I be doing water changes and what percentage with this set-up and treatment schedule?
50% weekly is what i would do.

Will the riccia be nibbled upon, eatne, and/or otherwise ruined? I don't want to go through this painstaking task, if my fish are going to treat it like they did the Cuban Baby Tears,,,,,,?
Fish usually leave riccia alone.

Will Amano shrimp survive in my tank? With 5 inch cloen loaches?
doubt it, they will eat any inverts.
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Great feedback as always Aaron....the tank looks amazing...if those microswords grow to cover all the gravel, I am going to have one kickass tank. Today, I did a water change, planted some crypts, red tiger lotus, vallisneria gigantea, and more of what I have had in there already. I dosed with Flourish, Flourish Excel, and Flourish Iron. I have no idea how often to do this, with these products, especially the Iron. I will be getting the liquid fert you recommended, but I don't know how to work that into the schedule with the others as well. I will also pick up some tabs to bury into the gravel, but I really want ones that include peat/trace/fert...if there is such an option. I don't want my water too soften of turn more acidic too fast. The only bad things about the great lighting is the fact that you can now see all the green algea that's on the black background...lol. My fish freaked out at first...I think they thought there must have been a plutonium blast nearby.
 
Thanks :)

you will dose the TPN on its own - no flourish or iron. You can still dose the excel though. Easycarbo is the same but cheaper so you may want to look into that next time. if you dose the TPN daily or every other day, then dose it a a rate of 1ml per 20l/ 5ml per 100l (which is ever easiest to work from!) You can adjust this as necassary. Dose the excel how you want to. I am not sure about the root tabs.

What is your Kh & Ph?
 
Thanks :)

you will dose the TPN on its own - no flourish or iron. You can still dose the excel though. Easycarbo is the same but cheaper so you may want to look into that next time. if you dose the TPN daily or every other day, then dose it a a rate of 1ml per 20l/ 5ml per 100l (which is ever easiest to work from!) You can adjust this as necassary. Dose the excel how you want to. I am not sure about the root tabs.

What is your Kh & Ph?
you will dose the TPN on its own - no flourish or iron. You can still dose the excel though. Easycarbo is the same but cheaper so you may want to look into that next time. if you dose the TPN daily or every other day, then dose it a a rate of 1ml per 20l/ 5ml per 100l (which is ever easiest to work from!) You can adjust this as necassary. Dose the excel how you want to. I am not sure about the root tabs.

What is your Kh & Ph? ^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have nothing to measure anything with at this time, which willl be rectified today, but speaking at to past testings. The water is moderate to very hard, with a neutral to slightly acidic PH. Nitrates are high, always have been in this tank. If I can dose the TPN on it's own, man did I make the correct decision and make out well.

I went to my LFS, already having purchased an order for a light (2X 65 watt coral life freshwater aqualight). That cost about 155 dollars, adding twenty or so for the two year warranty. When I drove all of 30 miles to pick it up, they didn't have it, so I bitched them out. The ended up offering me the 4 x64 watt version, for just fifty dollars more (listed at 299), and I got it for about 200, yet I insisted that the same warrantee be included. I told them, don't worry, I am going to spend alot of money in here. I figured I'd just run 2 of the lights (130 watts) at once, and use the other two when the first two burn out. So, again, I am making out like a bandit.

Well, I get there, intentionally, as the plants are being put out. I pick up my plants and a couple fish. The plant guy tries to sell me on this big dosing schedule, including micro tabs, liquid fert, and all of the flourish products. I get to the counter, pay the extra $50 for my light, add my plants and fish, and take ONLY the Flourish 'small multipack'. I had the cashier set aside the other 100 plus dollars worth of plant treatments. So, I ended up spending $250 all together, when the light alone should have cost me 299, and with all that the guy was setting me up with, I would have spent like 500 dollars. I just feel so proud of myself, as it really pays to complain sometimes. Poeple who do it, simply get more. Score one for the little guy.

Now, I have plenty of excel, abnd if I can get by just dosing with excel and your suggested product, my man Aaaron, it is all golden. Thanks mate.




Thanks :)

you will dose the TPN on its own - no flourish or iron. You can still dose the excel though. Easycarbo is the same but cheaper so you may want to look into that next time. if you dose the TPN daily or every other day, then dose it a a rate of 1ml per 20l/ 5ml per 100l (which is ever easiest to work from!) You can adjust this as necassary. Dose the excel how you want to. I am not sure about the root tabs.

What is your Kh & Ph?
^^^^^^^^^^^

Do I even need root tabs in my gravel?
 
good bargain! You only need root tabs if you dont have a nutrient rich substrate. I was just wondering about your kh, if it is low then i could understand why you were worried about a big drop into the acidic Ph range.

good luck :)
 

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