Tank Size/filter

[Blitzgreen]

Hello im new to fish keeping i need help with correct filtering my tank that has 8 goldfish aprox. size 2 inches without tail. The filter i am using is the JAD SP-602E 340 litres an hour and my tank is length 24 ins depth 18 ins width 12 ins i dont know how many litres my tank is and i have seen some cycle threads but dont understand what it is?

I dont have a current picture of the tank but this is an old one with 2 sponge filters instead of the one i have now

 

[Skins]

Hello im new to fish keeping i need help with correct filtering my tank that has 8 goldfish aprox. size 2 inches without tail. The filter i am using is the JAD SP-602E 340 litres an hour and my tank is length 24 ins depth 18 ins width 12 ins i dont know how many litres my tank is and i have seen some cycle threads but dont understand what it is?

I dont have a current picture of the tank but this is an old one with 2 sponge filters instead of the one i have now

85 ltr/22 USgal
I'm afraid to tell you that this is way to small for 8 goldfish, it would be a push to house 1.

Keith.

 

[Aqua Tom]

Hello im new to fish keeping i need help with correct filtering my tank that has 8 goldfish aprox. size 2 inches without tail. The filter i am using is the JAD SP-602E 340 litres an hour and my tank is length 24 ins depth 18 ins width 12 ins i dont know how many litres my tank is and i have seen some cycle threads but dont understand what it is?

I dont have a current picture of the tank but this is an old one with 2 sponge filters instead of the one i have now

85 ltr/22 USgal
I'm afraid to tell you that this is way to small for 8 goldfish, it would be a push to house 1.

Keith.

Hi welcome to the Forum.


Please try to read up more on cycling as this is important. Goldfish are a member of the carp family & if healthy will get very very big so as keith has already stated you have too many in that tank. I would say 2 at the most.

Your tank is 85 litres and your filter moves 340 litres an hour, so all the water in your tank will move through the filter 4 times every hour.

 

[waterdrop]

The usual advice from our goldfish experts is that first you have to take at the tail to determine whether your goldfish falls in to the normal or fancy grouping. Normal goldfish have a tail with two segments, making it flat and spit vertically. Fancy goldfish have three segments making the tail look a bit like a pyramid going out.

For normal goldfish, you need 30 US gallons for the first fish and 10 more US gallons for each additional one.

For fancy goldfish, you need 20 US gallons for the first fish and 10 more US gallons for each additional one (but of course if one is a normal, you switch to needing that first 30 US gallons.)

All these carp are really pond fish, but with large volumes like this it can be ok for the fish, otherwise they are not being treated well. The social pressures from years of incorrect information about them are enormous.

~~waterdrop~~

 

[Blitzgreen]

Oh my im in trouble. All the fish are normal goldfish. Money is tight and i cant afford more tanks and filters but also i have asked around and no one will take them off my hands im at a bit of a loss of what to do any suggestions?

The filter moves the water though 4 times an hour how many times an hour should it be?

 

[Blitzgreen]

Oh my im in trouble. All the fish are normal goldfish. Money is tight and i cant afford more tanks and filters but also i have asked around and no one will take them off my hands im at a bit of a loss of what to do any suggestions?

The filter moves the water though 4 times an hour how many times an hour should it be?

Can someone answer my questions plz

 

[raptorrex]

Oh my im in trouble. All the fish are normal goldfish. Money is tight and i cant afford more tanks and filters but also i have asked around and no one will take them off my hands im at a bit of a loss of what to do any suggestions?

The filter moves the water though 4 times an hour how many times an hour should it be?

Can someone answer my questions plz

unfortunately, your only option is to "get rid". the tank isnt big enough for one (50ukg).

water turnover is a matter of taste. 4x would be ok, if your filter managed that much. you will be lucky if it get to 2x. gold fish are filthy critters too. it all adds up, unfortunatly, to none of your equipment being up to the job of keeping one, never mind many.
I'm sorry, but sometimes the advice is, "STOP". as there is no solution to your problem.

 

[waterdrop]

The usual approach to re-homing fish is to try hard with your main LFS and other ones, asking them to take them for free and resell them. Also try friends of course, but only ones where you know you are not sending the fish to the same situation. The best is when you happen to know someone with a pond of course. Another alternative mentioned on TFF has been to place a small mention in the online selling sites (craigslist etc.) offering them for free, which gets you a wider audience of looks.

I believe Raptor is mentioning above that in real life, filters rarely achieve the turnover rate that the math using their flow rate figures would indicate. (they say 4x, you get 2x for example) Manufacturers use the most optimal conditions possible to get their numbers and as real users, our actual numbers are always worse. If you were to achieve an actual 4x turnover, that would be ok, being at about the beginning of the recommended range (4x, 5x, 6x being typical for good community tanks, 8x,10x,12x often being used by planted tank enthusiasts.) Turnover and Circulation are very complicated subjexts though and in my opinion, brief attempts to resolve these questions in beginners thread in the end can never really satisfy or likely be the real learning situation we would wish for. Like Stocking, Circulation is just something that takes experience and refinement.

~~waterdrop~~