Tank Cycle Emergency :(

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I'm off to the doctors for my black eye

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I've just done a 90% water change and my levels have dropped from 1.2ppm to 0.6ppm which is an improvement at least. I'm off to the doctors for my black eye and then i'll do another water change. Having a 30L makes it so much easier, I can do a 90% change in half an hour. I've got some mature media in my other tank that I can put in right now actually, I'll go and do that :) Do i just cut it up and put it in the filter? Thats what I did before but it clogged it up slightly I think.

Whatever it takes to get it in, just do it (as the vicar said to the actress). Don't take more than a third from the mature tank, and replace it with new media from the new tank, so that the filtration on the mature tank won't be affected.
 
Right i'm about to do another water change and add the mature media so I'll let you know how I get on with that in an hour or so....


Okay so I did a 65% water change tonight to add to the 90% water change I did earlier. My ammonia was at 0.6 after the 90% and now after the 65% it's back up to 1.2. Surely that must be wrong. It can't have gone up that much in 2 hours even AFTER that water change :(
 
That is very odd, certainly not what you would expect. That has flummoxed me, tbh. What's the level this morning?
 
Are you still feeding the tank? These fish need to go on a hunger strike. NO food for 3 or 4 days until the ammonia doesn't spike up like that.


What is the stocking in the tank? If it is a nearly fully stocked tank, than it is more than likely that it did spike up that fast. The reason that 5ppm ammonia is suggested in the fishless cycle thread is because a fully loaded tank can produce 5ppm or slightly above in 24 hours. So, in 2+ hours, an increase of about 0.5ppm is very likely. The first thing that you need to do is lower the fishes waste output by not feeding them. (This also helps if you have been overfeeding as well, because any scrap they don't eat turns into ammonia eventually as well.)


Keep up with the water changes. In my opinion, you should be doing 90% water changes from now until you can keep your ammonia level under 0.25ppm. Unless the ammonia is under 0.25ppm, do 90%. The exposure to high levels of ammonia can have long term consequences, so the less they are exposed to the better. If your reading is under 0.25ppm but still noticeably the wrong color, do a 50% or more water change. Eventually, this routine will break and you might actually go a day or so without needing to do a water change. But, it will take some time.


What dechlorinator are you using? I'd suggest one that deals with ammonia and converts it to ammonium, like Prime or Stress Coat+, any little bit helps! :rolleyes: Do you have any live plants? Adding some waterweeds like elodea/anacharis will help as well, after the initial melt. These plants can actually use ammonia directly from the water, and help keep the levels down. During the initial melt though, be sure to vac out any leaves that are dying back while the plant acclimates to your tank and lighting. These little guys don't need to be placed into the substrate - they can just float, or you can just bury the stem into the substrate. Either way works. If it gets too tall, trim it and put the trimmed end into the substrate. These plants do in fact grow like weeds, so fast growth will be another good ally in this. Once your cycle is finished you can drop them, but this will help to give your filter bacteria a bit of a helping hand keeping up with the ammonia. Keep an eye on your nitrates. That will tell you if the bacteria are processing ammonia or not. Eventually, even with the plants, the nitrates should start to climb a bit (not much, given all the water changes, but if you are watching closely you'll see it).
 
I'm using seachem prime. I've only got the one cory in there recovering.

I tested the water an hour after it said 1.2 with the mature media and the water is now 0 ammonia 0 nitrite and 20 nitrate
I've tested it the next day morning and night and still 0, 0, 20 nitrate.

Good sign?
 
Most definitely a good sign. ONly having one fish in there will certainly keep the numbers low. Is there any decor for the cory to hide in, around or under? Recall, stressed fish will produce more ammonia than relaxed fish (maybe they hyperventilate or something!). Any little thing you can do to keep the ammonia down until you are sure that the bacteria can handle will help. If you have a bit of mature media in another tank, steal a pinch or two and then you will be fine. Things do look good for now, but I would keep a very close eye on the tank, and watch for a bump in nitrates, without that, you aren't really cycling, but just not having a lot of ammonia in the tank. ;)
 
Most definitely a good sign. ONly having one fish in there will certainly keep the numbers low. Is there any decor for the cory to hide in, around or under? Recall, stressed fish will produce more ammonia than relaxed fish (maybe they hyperventilate or something!). Any little thing you can do to keep the ammonia down until you are sure that the bacteria can handle will help. If you have a bit of mature media in another tank, steal a pinch or two and then you will be fine. Things do look good for now, but I would keep a very close eye on the tank, and watch for a bump in nitrates, without that, you aren't really cycling, but just not having a lot of ammonia in the tank. ;)


Agghh i've had to put the fighter in with the cory he's getting so old now bless him and he's just not competing for food in the main tank (hes almost 6). I'm keeping a very close eye on the levels and will be doing water changes at the slightest sign of ammonia.

There is a terracotta pot, a moss ball and two nice bushy java fern in there at the moment so they can hide if they want :)

Adding mature media last night has definitely helped IMHO.
 
Mature media ALWAYS helps in a cycle! ;) That's why its been done that way for generations!!!
 
Mature media ALWAYS helps in a cycle! ;) That's why its been done that way for generations!!!


Definately. There was some in there originally before I added the new mature media. I think the old media had dried out too much which was why it didn't make much difference.
 
That makes sense.
 
I'm using seachem prime. I've only got the one cory in there recovering.

I tested the water an hour after it said 1.2 with the mature media and the water is now 0 ammonia 0 nitrite and 20 nitrate
I've tested it the next day morning and night and still 0, 0, 20 nitrate.

Good sign?

Just a thought - was all your testing equipment clean?

I did an ammonia test once and it was off the scale - wine bottle green! I did a check test and it was zero. I realised that the little cup I use as a dipper must have been dirty. I worked as a assistant in a lab as a teenager. I had to do all the analysis twice. If the results disn't match I had to do it again and again until two concecutive tests were the same. You learn to be accurate!

Cathy
 

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