Swordtails?

eek @ not having chance? :eek:

You're sat here now arent you? :p

Get a testing kit ASAP and check the levels, your fish could be living in an acid tank!

ive just had a thought,
my girlfriend did put too much food in this morning, could that be it?
there was quite a bit on the gravel which isnt there now.


and,
my lfs wont sell you any fish unless you take in a water sample, when he tested it yesterday, it came out fine.
 
Overfeeding can lead to lots of problems, be very careful, only feed them little amounts (or feed them an amount which is consumed in under 5 mins).. best bet is if you can suck up any left over food.. unless you have bottom feeders.

My shrimp love it as i mixx feed my fish, i feed pallet food (sinks) which shrimps and pleck go for, and a little bit of flakes.. but its all consumed and i feed once every 3 days.
 
Overfeeding can lead to lots of problems, be very careful, only feed them little amounts (or feed them an amount which is consumed in under 5 mins).. best bet is if you can suck up any left over food.. unless you have bottom feeders.

My shrimp love it as i mixx feed my fish, i feed pallet food (sinks) which shrimps and pleck go for, and a little bit of flakes.. but its all consumed and i feed once every 3 days.

i did have a go at her afterwards, she only did it because i was still in bed and i quote "they looked hungry"
 
Just seen your "and" comment, that's good news - but still, get a testing kit asap, they cost a little bit but are well worth it. good on your LFS! Some don't even care what you get..

For example, a friend of mine who was new to the hobby last year (and didnt ask me) purchased a nice new 280L tank, cycled it, filled it up etc... put lots of lovely fish in, and they all died in under a week due to the fish shop not asking him what he was using the sand for. (he purchased sand that should have only been used in marine)... lots of money and lives down the drain. :(
 
if i do a change now, wouldn't that potentally make things worse? seeing as i dont know my levels
 
If the fish seem happy leave it until you get a kit, try and grab one next week if you can. And get a liquid testing kit.

Oh, and some piccies would be nice! :)
 
If the fish seem happy leave it until you get a kit, try and grab one next week if you can. And get a liquid testing kit.

the tetras aren't as crazy as they have been but they are still swimming around a lil. im going to try and walk to the garden center tomorrow, its a hell of a walk though.
 
Good stuff, if your amonia levels end up a little high get a live plant or two in there (if you havent already), ask the LFS for the slowest growing plants so they wont need much maintenence, I did this and they dropped v. quickly.
 
i just put a few flakes by her and put a net in the way so none of the others could get at the food, she took it and seemed to be back to her normal self, then went straight back to her corner again. :huh:
 
WHOA! Forget acidity, thats a minor issue and unlikely to be the cause. Stress and ammonia are alot more likely.

You've got an uncycled tank. Fish eat food, and what comes out the other end is ammonia. Ammonia is harmful to fish in anything other than tiny concentrations. Bacteria build up in the filter that break down ammonia and convert it into nitrite. Nitrite is also harmful to fish, and another bacteria builds up which breaks it into nitrate - this isn't too bad (though higher nitrate levels will affect sensitive fish.)

That bacteria takes a long time to build up naturally. I've got to get some sleep - I've got to be up for 5 for work so thats as much detail as I can go into about the nitrogen cycle.

Once again, I refer you to my previous point - don't trust your fish shop - especially on this. Trust me regarding the following and you've got the best possible chance of keeping your fish alive - if you don't theres a fair chance you'll lose some fish:

1. You need a liquid based test kit as soon as you can afford one - you're looking at about £20. The API Freshwater Master Test Kit is highly recommended. Buy one and do the tests. They are cheaper off the internet.

2. Until you get a test kit, do daily 30-40% water changes. Use tap water and dechlorinator - theres lots of different types, anything that says Tap Safe or Safeguard or something similar will give you an idea - go into your LFS and ask for a dechlorinator and they'll probably stock 3 different brands of the stuff. This will lower the amount of ammonia in the water at any given moment. When you get a test it, test daily - if theres any ammonia at all, do a big water change.
With the first water change make sure any excess food on the bottom gets removed - decomposing food also breaks down into ammonia.

3. Cut the feeding right the way back. Fish can survive off next to no food - trust me on this. Feed them a pinch (the amount they'll eat in 1-2 minutes) every other day. The less food in=the less ammonia out.

Those points should see you through. Avoid the desire to tinker with the tank, as messing about with it stresses the fish out - and they're already stressed from moving about. Leave them be and most importantly do points 2 and 3.

Someone else can fill in the gaps I've left, I've really got to go to bed now - I got 4 hours sleep last night, worked today and am looking at 5ish hours sleep tonight. Hope this helps.

Just to reiterate: Water changes are good. Always. As long as you're using dechlor and you don't change more than 40% you'll be fine - and twice daily 40% changes is fine. I wouldn't recommend more than that though as changing 40% of the water does involve a temp change, and more than that may have adverse effects. So spaced out big water changes are good.

Fish love water changes, having flicked through the above thats not entirely clear. And in your case - they need them to prevent ammonia levels building up. Ammonia will kill your fish.
 
thanks for the advise.

She died in the middle of the night so im going to do a water change today.
 

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