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Right now I have:
6 Angelicus Loaches
6 Long-finned Rosy Barbs
1 Opaline Gourami
1 Bristlenose Pleco
1 Tiger Barb
in a 55 gallon (209L) bow-front aquarium.
The Tiger Barb is very peaceful and has done good by himself for the last 4 years. I just got rid of 5 Tiger Barbs that were picking off his scales and harassing all my other fish. So I obviously don't want any more Tigers.

My tank has a black background, black and white sand (the white is more fine so it kinda marbles together), pieces of driftwood and lava rock, and some live plants. I eventually want to make it fully planted.


Should I get more of the same fish? Maybe a few more of a different species? I've kinda considered a few rainbow fish to brighten up the tank a little.
 
What are the dimensions of the tank? It is only possible to get an accurate stock if one knows the bottom and surface area dimensions (which are usually the same, the first for territory and fish length, the latter for total numbers).

What are your water parameters? There is little sense in getting fish that your water parameters are not ideal for as that may affect their behaviour, colour and health (and not in a positive way).

Going by your stock, I will assume that your tank is a 4 fter, in which case my recommendation is to add another 8-9 long-finned rosy barbs and another 9-14 tiger barbs. Since you do not want to get more tiger barbs, then my advice is to find yours a home in a school. The 5 you just got rid off were very likely picking on the one because the group was quite small (especially for tiger barbs, often numbers under 10 do not work) and the one was the weakest in the group. On top of the rosy barbs, you can get another 2 bristlenoses so you have 1m 2f in total.

If your tank is 5 ft long, then I also recommend another 4 loaches of the same species.

I also advise against more species.
 
Maybe a small school of Dwarf Neon Rainbows?

Wills
 
How do I figure out the dimensions of a bow front tank? I just measured the flat sides. Its 3 feet long, 1 foot wide, and almost 2 feet deep...
 
also my tiger barb seems like he doesn't want to be in a group. He was by himself for 4 years before I got him. The lady only had him with one gourami, two rosy barbs, and a pleco for most of his life. He swims away from all the other tiger barbs and seems to school more with my rosy barbs for some reason. I didn't even like the 6 tiger barbs very much... I couldn't imagine buying 5 more! OldMan47 told me in a different post that he would keep the peaceful tiger barb by himself since he was just fine for the first 4 years by himself. The only time I've ever had a problem with my tiger is when i got more... I am really attached to him and still love his personality =/ I'd really hate to see him go!
I think my tank is too small for all the fish you are suggesting. Kinda making me doubt its a 55 gallon??
 
I am a tad confused here. Surely these posts of yours should be the continuation of this thread http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/396958-opinions-please/page__p__3337973#entry3337973 rather creating a new one?

David
 
I figured it was a different topic. The last post I was trying to get opinions on if I should keep my tigers or not. But I already rehomed the tigers... so I started a new one asking what new fish I should get.
 
How do I figure out the dimensions of a bow front tank?
You can give the shortest and deepest width or you can give the average, either is good enough!

I just measured the flat sides. Its 3 feet long, 1 foot wide, and almost 2 feet deep...
The loaches and rosy barbs are very likely to be stunted in an aquarium this size and the gourami is moderately likely to become stunted; 3 ft is just not enough space for a 5" active loach to swim around in and for a 5.5" barb (I suspect that the barbs usually do not reach their full adult size *because* they they do not get the space that they need). Personally, I would not consider Botia kubotai, nor Puntius conchonius, for any aquarium under 5 ft in length and opeline gourami for an aquarium under 4 ft in length. So if this was my aquarium, I would be thinking about an upgrade or trading the fish in for something more suitable. I know that a lot of people do keep these fish in aquaria that are as small, but I really cannot honestly say that it is any good for the fish, and my priority as someone who is doing their best to be a responsible fishkeeper is to do what is best for the fish, which is usually trying to imitate their natural environment to the best of my ability.

[…] He swims away from all the other tiger barbs and seems to school more with my rosy barbs for some reason. […] OldMan47 told me in a different post that he would keep the peaceful tiger barb by himself since he was just fine for the first 4 years by himself. […]
I work on stock based on what is most natural (which is usually the ideal) for the fish, so for shoaling species, I will always recommend that they are kept in appropriately sized shoals. Obviously, the tiger barb you already have is used to being alone, and might even think that it is a rosy barb, but I would still expect it to do better when in a *large* group of its own kind. At the end of the day, this sort of decision is always down to the keeper of the fish in question and I do not consider it as important to make a specific choice in this situation compared to when stocking form scratch.
Because I see adding a new species as "stocking from scratch", I advise you against more species as it is unlikely that you will be able to have a reasonable sized school (10-15+) of a new species, and it is unlikely that an territorial species will fit in with the loaches on the ground and the gourami above while I can't think of anything mid-water.

I think my tank is too small for all the fish you are suggesting. Kinda making me doubt its a 55 gallon??
It is very likely a 55 US gallon because of the height, but unfortunately, the height does not help with the stocking. There are some fish (like angels and discus) which must have a minimum height tank (2 ft), but most fish can live in any tank starting from one that is 12" tall (and some fish can even have a shorter tank without any problems). What this means is that if your in terms of maximum fish size, there is no difference in stocking restrictions between a 3*1*2 ft and a 3*1*1 ft tanks. In terms of numbers, there is a little bit of difference, but not really all that much, maybe only 10% or so. What the extra 1 ft in height gives you is more stability in water parameters, which is especially useful if you have soft water.

To roughly estimate how much water your tank holds (using estimates based on the numbers you gave):
-take the shortest front to back distance (30 cm), and multiply it by the height of the water form the top of the gravel to the surface (50 cm), by the length of the tank (90 cm), then divide by 1000 and you will get the volume of the main part of the tank in litres (135 litres, i.e. 35.5 US gallons)
-take the difference between the narrowest and the widest part of the bow front (estimate around 15 cm) and do the same as above (15*50*90/1000 = 67.5 litres), then divide it by two (67.5/2 = 34 litres, i.e. 9 US gallons)
-finally, add the two volumes together (135+34 = 169 litres, i.e. 44.5 US gallons) and you get the total volume

So if you take the above volume and calculate it for a substrate-free tank, filled to the rim (44.5/50*60), you will find that you will get 54 US gallons as the "total" volume, which is what manufacturers often use for selling the tanks and it matches what you thought.

Note that if you have any large rocks or bogwood for decor (and you should have at least some bogwood for the pleco), then that will impact how much water the tank holds. This calculation is actually very important because when treating fish, you need to use the *actual*, real amount of water in the tank to calculate dosing, not the theoretical, manufacturer's volume. It is especially important if treating with medications that it is easy to overdose on (for example, whitespot treatment on loach tanks), as most fish medications are quite nasty to the fish as well, especially to scale-less fish like loaches.

When I had a couple of tanks that were similar to yours (55 gallon AquaStyle 980, which were 98L * 47W * 60T cm bow fronts), I had for soft and neutral water:
* 20 (up to 2" adult size) tetras or harlequin rasboras of one species
* 1m 3f bristlenose plecos (5 caves, bogwood)
* 1m 2-3f harem South American dwarf cichlids or 2m 2f pair SA dwarfs
* 10 (up to 2" adult size) Corys of one species

And for hard water, I had:
* dwarf Malawi cichlids
* 3 unsexed small plecos

I know that I'm a bit vague about the exact stock, but that is because I had the tanks for around 5 years and swapped the stock with other tanks for breeding, etc, so have had quite a selection of fish in these tanks. The other main thing to consider is that you should avoid active fish, such as zebra danios, but can go for larger-than-expected slow fish, like plecos.
 
Thanks so much for all the information and taking all the time to be so helpful. You've convinced me to get a larger tank for sure. I really love my fish, especially the loaches! I really have my heart on getting a 5 or 6 foot tank sometime this summer now that i have an excuse to upgrade =). The loaches are still only a little longer than an inch and my rosys and pleco aren't adult size either. I'm sure I'll have this new tank within a few months so they'll definitely be in something twice the size before they are even close to fully-grown. I've been looking at longer 100-150 gallon tanks... that should be enough room to get a little more rosys and keep my fish from being stunted, right?
 
Aye, if you were to get a 5*1.5*1.5 ft tank, then you should be able to have the following:
* 10 Botia kubotai (if you don't already have sand, I highly recommend that you swap to (play or sharp) sand as these guys will sift through it)
* 10-20 long-finned rosy barbs (best not to mix in short-finned barbs to avoid potential nipping)
* 1m 2f Trichopodus trichopterus (gourami, the species and sex are important, but the colour morph is not, any new fish much be sameish size as the existing fish and it's best to add the new fish on the day you move tank, straight into the new tank)
* 2m 4-5f bristlenose plecos or 1m 2f bristlenoses and 1m 2f any other species that grows up to 5-6" max
* tiger barb

You would have space to go for more species, but I highly recommend that you stick to the ones you already have and aim to make the tank look like a biotope-ish, this sort of setup looks quite stunning!

Filter wise, I do recommend an Eheim external, they are very reliable! For decoration, a few large, rounded pebbles and a few caves for the plecos with at least a couple of small pieces of bogwood for the plecos and Hygrophilas for the background.
 
Thanks KittyKat! that really sounds ideal to what I would like! I've already been going for the bio-type look. I have sand, driftwood, pebbles, lava rock, some plants but I really would like to get more. The last LFS in my town was recently shut down and PetSmart and Petco sell the worst plants. I'm thinking I'll have to buy the plants off the internet. I've looked at java fern and java moss a few times on ebay. Any suggestions on plants or good websites to buy plants?

My 3 spot gourami is also 4 years old and has never been with another gourami. I wouldn't mind keeping the gourami alone, but would definitely get more if that's the more natural thing to do. He's like 4-5 inches... where would I even find others that size?

I really would like to get more plecos. Mine was sold to me as a dwarf albino bristlenose pleco. I can't really find any information on how to tell the sex? Any other smaller species you could recommend?

Not the greatest picture, took it on my phone 10 minutes ago...
 

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