Sick Betta

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My Betta has recently recovered from White Spot/Slime Disease.

He now has some white looking rash around his gills under his mouth, and some sort of green patches across his face! he still has cloudy eyes !

Anybody know whats up? Seems to have spead in the last 24 hours, was fine y/day
 
How many gallons is the tank.
Can you post water stats in ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.
Is he a tank of his own or with other fish.
How long did you treat for whitespot.
Is he still flicking and rubbing.
Any excess slime on the body or gills.
Any redness to the white looking rash.
Does the rash look like a dusting of talc.
Cloudy eye is a symtom of a desease not a desease it its own right
 
Read here to see what you think.
[URL="http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/disease/fungus.htm"]http://www.fishdoc.co.uk/disease/fungus.htm[/URL]

Taken from the link.
Clinical signs

Fish fungus appears as grey/white patches on the skin or gills that resemble tufts of cotton-wool. At a later stage they may become brown or green as they trap sediment or algae. If the fish is removed from the water, the fungus appears as a slimy matted mass. Saprolegnia normally establishes as small, focal infections that then spread rapidly over the body or gills. As it spreads, healthy tissue is destroyed. There is often little inflammation unless there is an underlying bacterial infection. Microscopic examination shows broad, non-septate (no dividing cell walls) hyphae of varying diameters.
 
7-8 UK gallons. Hes a red fish, wierd to tell if hes inflamed. Whitespot treatment was approx 2 weeks ago, carried out a 80% water change since then (added more gravel too for plants) No rubbing he just swims vigarously into the glass. tank with 4 ottos
 
Did you read the link.
Had the spots gone when you stopped the med.
 
The link did page not load, the pasted info sounds alot like it.

Spots had gone, they were sort of wart looking, I treated him for white spot, stopped using the white spot and did a water chnange, waited a few days then used the 'King British Velvet Control' med, which cleared him up nice and clear.
 
The warts did they look like a cluster of eggs or a cauliflower.
If you think the fish has what its says in the info I left it says use m green.




This is the whole page of the link seen as it won't load up for you.


Fish fungus - Saprolegnia
cotton wool fungus

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Fungus is a common fish disease that can prove fatal if not treated early. Most fungal infections involve water moulds from the class Oomycetes (a group of fungi with similar characteristics). Although there are several water moulds that can affect fish, the most common and significant water mould is Saprolegnia, a filamentous fungi. In common with all moulds, it feeds by secreting digestive enzymes onto the surrounding area. These enzymes break down cells and tissues enabling the fungi to absorb nutrients such as proteins and carbohydrates. This isn’t a problem if it's a piece of fish food – but it’s not so welcome when it is one of your fish that is being slowly digested!

Fish fungus - Saprolegnia
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Saprolegnia infection on the body of a koi

photo: Frank Prince-Iles


Water moulds are saprotrophs – that is they normally feed on dead organic matter such as fish wastes, uneaten food etc, however they are also opportunistic parasites, able to take advantage of damaged or stressed fish. Fungal infections are called mycoses.

Water moulds consist of a tangled mass of individual filaments called hyphae. As the mass grows it forms compact tufts that are collectively called a mycelium. The mass of fungi filaments or mycelium can be seen clearly without a microscope. Moulds reproduce by releasing thousands of spores into the surrounding water. The fungal spores are highly resistant to drying and chemical attack and thus Saprolegnia spores and molds are common in all ponds and tanks.

It is believed that the fish mucus contains effective fungicides that prevent fungal growths under normal circumstances. It is worth pointing out that large amounts of decomposing organic matter within the system will encourage fungal growth.

A dangerous secondary infection

Saprolegniasis is mainly a secondary infection seen after damage to the fish integument (skin and gills) caused by parasites, viruses, bacterial infections and other skin damage. Other predisposing factors include water pollution and overcrowding. Less commonly, Saprolegnia can act as a primary pathogen infecting fish that haven’t shown signs of previous damage. It is believed that such attacks are temperature-dependant, usually occurring at low temperatures, possibly as a consequence of a reduced immune response. I have seen two separate cases recently involving orfe that were severely infected without any other signs of damage.

As well as being a threat to fish, fungus can also affect fish eggs. It is usually the infertile eggs that are first infected, but if untreated the fungus soon spreads to nearby, healthy eggs.

Clinical signs

Fish fungus appears as grey/white patches on the skin or gills that resemble tufts of cotton-wool. At a later stage they may become brown or green as they trap sediment or algae. If the fish is removed from the water, the fungus appears as a slimy matted mass. Saprolegnia normally establishes as small, focal infections that then spread rapidly over the body or gills. As it spreads, healthy tissue is destroyed. There is often little inflammation unless there is an underlying bacterial infection. Microscopic examination shows broad, non-septate (no dividing cell walls) hyphae of varying diameters.

Don't underestimate the danger

Although most infections are fairly superficial, rarely penetrating beyond the superficial muscles, the danger comes from the speed at which Saprolegnia can spread and the amount of surface area that is often damaged. This in turns leads to serum and protein loss. There is sometimes a tendency to underestimate the potential danger of fungal infections and it is important to realise that even superficial damage of the skin or gills can prove fatal if not treated. The chances of recovery from saprolegniasis are directly related to the area of integument affected, which is why prompt diagnosis and treatment is vital.

Treatment

Fish fungal infections are difficult to treat and mould cannot ever be eliminated from any fish keeping systems. Any treatment plan must take account of any predisposing factors and these should be resolved / or treated at the same time.

Topical treatments:

Use strong malachite green solution (100mg/ litre) to clean the lesion and apply a water-proof cream.

Long-term bath treatments:

Salt: 1–5g / litre indefinitely

Malachite green: 0.10mg/litre – three treatments at three-day intervals
 
Warty growths can be lymthocystis.

2) papillomas, 'warty' types of growths, can be quite large, smooth or cauliflower-shaped, white, red or pink

3) lymphocystis, various sized, white to pink masses on the skin and/or gills.
 
Is it possible to load a pic up of the sick fish.
 
The warty things are gone.

I could get pics but theyre off my phone, 2mp camera, it makes the tank light look SO bright so its really hard to see it anyway! ill try though

also the meds that are provided are never found locally for me! I like in Cleethorpes(being from South Yorkshire, youll probably know the place?) and at pets at hoem they have all the interpet products and thats it really for treatments =\
 
underneath his gills are like a solid white it almost looks like! cant beleive it hasnt been spotted by myself before..

I guess that what happens when I buy a bagged up betta, he came in the condition hes in I guess ( minus this problem... but he may have had it before Im not sure) .
 
Ok.
Yes been to cleethorpes many a time.

The article information I left does it sound like the betta has that. If so you could always order the med online.
Though if its spreading fast you really need the med now.
Do you know anybody else who keeps fish who might have malachite green solution

The velvet med does it say what the ingredients are on the bottle.
Hows the fish breathing.
 
No local fishkeeper I know. Ill have a look in pets at home tomorrow, a thorough look, but they usually just try flog the bacteria stuff for your filters.
Checked the box, and all the contents that came in it, no ingredients.


King british 'Velvet Control' though if its any concelation.
Sort of dont know what to do ... if he makes it through the night ill have a good look round pets at home, and if not, ill have to find another way I guess

Breathign seems ok, he has opened his mouth real wide once or twice.. but thats about it, he does that after eating though.
 
How his breathing is it laboured or just abit heavy, or normal.
Does he look in a really bad way.


Poor thing.
Betta are like goldfish for being treated badly.
 
like normal i suppose, he swims up to the top and grabs some air, turns back down and swims around for a while, rinse repeat.

Its hardto look at him, his face is real patchy in greeny stuff. Under his gills are all white... hes pretty bad yeah i guess
 

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