SHOULD WE KEEP FISH CAUGHT FROM THE WILD?

[aberdeen aquarist]

I suppose another point is that they have nearly fished the north sea out of cod and nothing much is being done to sustain the population! Instead they look for different verieties of fish to consume further disrupting natures ballance.

how wrong is that statement!!!

the cod stocks in the north sea are at a 30 year high, the only problem is the common fisheries regulations. there are countless people who have lost their income due to the decomissioning of the white fish fleet and the fisheries minister stands by and does nothing to help his own country.

 

[Guppylover]

After reading throughout this how debate I changed my mind to both
Well you see:

YES
If you get fish from the wild you can save them and give them a better live, like making sure that they get enough food and good freash water. You could even help them breed and make more fry survive than in the wild. And without the exotic tropical fish there wouldn't be very interesting fish around... would there? Even if you have guppies... you would want some different shaped and coloured fish!

NO
If you keeping on catching the fish from that area they will soon not be enough and the eco system will be ruined. We should let mother nature get on with everything and not try to ruin it.

CONCLUSION
We should be able to catch the fish from the wild but give back too. For example if you caught a bundle of fish from the wild from a certain area and they breed, you should give back more of the fish than you have taken from there. So the place gets balanced and ect.

Well that's what I learnt... mabye I should do that with the lake nearby....

 

[vmong]

Correct there is no justification to remove an animal from its natural habitat, but i believe that we can offer a exceptable life for them provided that the basic requirements are being met.
we as fishkeepers want the best for out fish and probably provide a better living standard. warmth is constant, food is regular and they dont have to compete, love from the owners.
so i think that it is good. but regarding big fish such as big Catfish and fish that generally grow to be massive should be kept in wild becasue it is cruel to keep a big fish in a small tank. even if the recommended tank size is given. when i look at big fish in tanks they look unhappy and motionless. they want to swim fast and move around unless you have the tank a size of a house i dont think that massive fish should be kept.

 

[Timmy]

Nice philosophy guppylover The best way of giving back is maybe not with fish though but to encourage (with money!) the native people to protect their eco-systems and to exploit the environment in a sustainable non-destructive way.

Maybe breed your fish and instead of releasing them into the lake sell them and donate the money to the World Wide Fund for nature (WWF) or the Australian equivalent.

 

[Guppylover]

Thank you very much Timmy
That's a good idea, giving them money so that they can protect they're own eco system. But mabye we could still give some fish back...only some
I also agree with you vmong, the bigger fish shouln't be kept in aquariums unless they are happy and healthy in them! Same with the smaller ones too.

 

[Ed4567]

I do check with my fish shop the marine fish are not caught with cyanide- most reputable fish shops specilising in marine are unlikly to want to stock these fish anyway due to high mortality, aside from the obvious environmental damage.

 

[nightlife20]

introducing fry into an echo system they wernt born in can do more damage than good... what if you tank had an infection? it would spread through out that lake...

only a minor what if, but it could happen..also.. new fry in a lake with big fish spells trouble to me if they wernt born in that lake.... the mortality rate could be high.

 

[Jae1525]

As I was saying the north sea stocks are low on cod... here is the evidence.

FISH STOCKS HIT RECORD LOWS

And here again...

BBC NEWS "NORTH SEA COD AT CRISIS POINT"

Oh my, another one...

COD CRISIS WORSE THAN THOUGHT

Oh wait a second... yep another one...

North Sea Fish Stocks

No need to continue with the evidence, I think my point has been made.

You know it's real funny that when you search for "North sea fish stocks" not one official link says "North sea cod at 30 year high"!

The restrictions that the EU have imposed are allowing the fish populations to recover from the beating they have taken since the 70's! This is why cod stocks are at a so called "high" because they are recovering.
I know it hard for fishermen to make a living as my Uncle has been a fisherman for 40 years but he still accepts the fact that if the nort sea doesent have time to recover the cod will go extinct and his sons who are also fishermen will have an even harder time making a living.
EU TIGHTENS COD FISHING LAWS

The truth is that with the low fish stocks fish are being taken from grater depths and nobody gives a dam or knows what dammage this is doing to the deep sea fish populations.

PLEASE IF YOU MAKE A POINT, HAVE THE INFORMATION AND DATA TO BACK IT UP WITH **OFFICIAL** SOURCES AND PROVE YOUR STATMENTS WHERE NECCESSARY AS ANY EDUCATED INDIVIDUAL WOULD. THIS AVOIDS PEOPLE NEW TO THE SUBJECT GATHERING THE WRONG INFO AND SPREADING IT FURTHER.

 

[Guppylover]

...I didn't know it was that bad....
sorry...

 

[Jae1525]

Yeah its bad.

It's worth reading the links and seeing for yourself.


Education will set you free but a lack of it will trap you into spitting up other peoples opinions.

Thats why most of us tropical fish forum members are so smart...
Cos we dont sit in front of the idiot box all day.
We have bigger fish to fry. Excuse the pun.
I dont eat fish.

 

[Timmy]

Hi Jae1525, I just did a quick google and found a link which says Haddock stocks in the North Sea are at a 30 year high; maybe that's the source of confusion.

http/www.scottishfoodanddrink.com/view_i...x?item_id=17682

I'd be interested in a poll as to how many of us eat fish....

 

[nightlife20]

i eat fish... so call me a hypocrit if u wish..

 

[aberdeen aquarist]

As I was saying the north sea stocks are low on cod... here is the evidence.

FISH STOCKS HIT RECORD LOWS

And here again...

BBC NEWS "NORTH SEA COD AT CRISIS POINT"

Oh my, another one...

COD CRISIS WORSE THAN THOUGHT

Oh wait a second... yep another one...

North Sea Fish Stocks

No need to continue with the evidence, I think my point has been made.

You know it's real funny that when you search for "North sea fish stocks" not one official link says "North sea cod at 30 year high"!

The restrictions that the EU have imposed are allowing the fish populations to recover from the beating they have taken since the 70's! This is why cod stocks are at a so called "high" because they are recovering.
I know it hard for fishermen to make a living as my Uncle has been a fisherman for 40 years but he still accepts the fact that if the nort sea doesent have time to recover the cod will go extinct and his sons who are also fishermen will have an even harder time making a living.
EU TIGHTENS COD FISHING LAWS

The truth is that with the low fish stocks fish are being taken from grater depths and nobody gives a dam or knows what dammage this is doing to the deep sea fish populations.

PLEASE IF YOU MAKE A POINT, HAVE THE INFORMATION AND DATA TO BACK IT UP WITH **OFFICIAL** SOURCES AND PROVE YOUR STATMENTS WHERE NECCESSARY AS ANY EDUCATED INDIVIDUAL WOULD. THIS AVOIDS PEOPLE NEW TO THE SUBJECT GATHERING THE WRONG INFO AND SPREADING IT FURTHER.

Jae, try finding info thats up to date before trying to prove your (invalid) point.

Timmy, thanks for saving me the trouble of finding a link to help my point.

Oh and Jae, one last thing don't start name calling, you don't know people here and they could be a lot smarter than you think.

 

[Jae1525]

Yeah haddock.
But now the cod is so low the haddock is becoming more and more available in fish shops and supermarkets as a measure to help recover the depleted stocks of cod.

Nobody is a hypocrite for eating fish and keeping them. Thats just how I would feel if I ate fish! I dont eat red meat either. just chicken and turkey. Maybe one day I wont have to eat that either but when your out in a boozy night with your pals a chicken kebab is the law.

 

[Jae1525]

So they have recoverd the cod population in a year?

I'm not name calling and am sorry you took it that way but you need to provide me with evidence to back up your point from official registerd sources.

I would also like to say that I respect ppls opinions on the matter but as for discussing the topic of north sea cod in a poll about wild fish being taken from their natural environment shouldnt go further. The first point made that was a comparison of it in relation to the decreasing population of wild fish and the disruption of their natural environments and how people can see the paterns but do nothing about it.

I have made my points and people are free to make theirs but I think they should relate to the topic at hand and If anybody would like to discuss them further then read the info on the situation and start a new topic.