Shame On You

[Night61]

i started off as a betta keeper, but since then i have spread out to other fish, and have sought advice on those fish and i have gotten multiple answers. i have come to know in almost every section i have gone to i have found someone helpful who is willing to impart their own knowledge and experience on me or others.
this does not seem to be the case in this section, this is the section of me. you are all willing to attack bad tanks, or show off new fish. When someone comes up with a question about caring for an animal an older one, and i am virtually ignored in favor of the "look at my new betta," threads.
this section is to help people take care of the fish, there is a reason you see betta questions in random sections, because if they post here they will get ignored.
shame on you

 

[Truck]

People can say and post what they want about Bettas in this section, end of.

ps. If you've posted something and you haven't had a reply in a day or so, don't have a hissy fit, not all of us are at our PC's 24/7

By the way, I think you've been rather insulting in this thread, we all deserve an apology.

 

[james_fish]

Well i'll be darned............. I didn't know we had that Smiley

 

[Honeythorn]

I read your previous thread and oddly enough you didn't seem to actually be asking a specific question. It reads as " this my betta he's old.............." Ok...and??? You haven't actually stated what it is you want to know or think is wrong with him so it's not surprising you've had so few replies, we can't help you unless we know what you want.

Bad tanks are "attacked" because they're bad for the fish. In most cases in here they're far too small ( the living 24/7 in a puddle thing is a myth ) and some of us refuse to sit here and nod and smile and say what a splendid setup it is, when it blatantly isn't.

People post pictures of their new fish and tanks on all sections almost every day.

Basically your entire post is pointless and incorrect, and most of us do have lives to live, and as Truck states, do not sit glued to out computers 24/7 waiting for people's problems to be posted.

 

[woodstock]

I'm gonna have to side with Honeythorn a bit, here.

Also, we attack smaller tanks because 1) Read Honeythorn's, and 2) Bettas are definitely one of the fish so exposed to the smaller tanks due to popular belief... I don't want to see that anymore. I just don't. Now it's definitely possible to make it work, with extreme dedication, but they're fish too, you know? And lots of people have made it work with communities as well.

And I haven't seen an entirely ignored post either.

 

[OohFeeshy]

Alas, it seems the only 'advice' available consists of endless repeats of '5g tank' and 'lots of plants'. Which is fine, if that's the question you're asking, but a) isn't nessecarily right and b) half the time is as much use as a xenon teapot. But it seems to be the trend lately for people who frankly have no idea what they're talking about to repeat 'advice' ad infinity, even if there's little evidence for it actually being the case. For example, plastic plants. We're always told not to use them, but exactly how many instances are there of them actually causing damage? I've never experienced it, or seen any cases, and when it's possibly a factor in fin damage I would be more inclined to blame tail biting. Similarly, I and the majority of betta keepers I have ever encountered have had no problems in keeping bettas in tanks not completely filled with plants.

 

[woodstock]

For example, plastic plants. We're always told not to use them, but exactly how many instances are there of them actually causing damage? I've never experienced it, or seen any cases, and when it's possibly a factor in fin damage I would be more inclined to blame tail biting.

I've been through this - Of the four plastic plants I originally had, I've have many issues. I simply didn't state it out in a post since it wasn't necessary, and since they didn't die from it - only fin damage. They're all removed and replaced with silk plants.
And from what I've read, I've seen more attacks from plastic plants than tailbiting. For some reason, the bigger the tank, the more it attacks their fins. Now this is just my idea, but it's possible it's because they swim faster / more around, and have their tails run into the plants snagging it. And in smaller tanks, not so much swimming around as fast, so less snagging. Just an idea, though.

Similarly, I and the majority of betta keepers I have ever encountered have had no problems in keeping bettas in tanks not completely filled with plants.

I know Honeythorn definitely advises have a plant-filled tank. It's definitely not entirely harmful if you don't have a tank filled, but it's mainly advice. I've seen bettas don't like wide spaces, and yes that is through experience. Added some more plants, maybe not as much as Honeythorn would like, but it works out. Their original habitat is filled with plants, and this would be advice for people who want to completely imitate their original habitat, perhaps.


And I'm gonna take the "attack" part back. Only some actually actually attack for smaller tanks. Others don't advise with it. And there are still some who give advise for it anyways.

 

[Mauricia]

I'm confused as to why you're upset since some people did answer you before you posted this. People who don't know what to say or how to help aren't going to respond. Others don't come on everyday.

 

[Haych]

oh wow - spit the dummy out!

You have to realise that not everyone can help you if they do not know what is wrong, and this section isnt always as busy as the other sections.

 

[Chard56]

I'd rather see a question go awhile not answered than every Tom,Dick and Harry with a bowl of Guppies answer it like Yahoo answers. There's a 2 page 8 paragragh reprimand and it doesn't even answer the question asked in the first place.Huh? I have people that email me their questions instead of chancing the wrath of somebody on the fish Q & A. I'm not on here 24/7 but if you drop me an email I'll be happy to look into it.

 

[5teady_2012]

The betta section as always been full of, look at my new betta, bla bla bla, all ego mad and attention seekers.... and full of maoners about tank sizes, they claim they dont have time to answer your post cos they got lives, but really they got thier hands so full uploading all thier photos and out buying new bettas to see who can find the best looking one (yet all bettas are misserable looking buggers)

 

[Night61]

this is the most active forum on the forums, at any given moment there is always some where on this.
i know for a fact that the treatment and constant repeating of advice is what makes the mods roll their eyes.
i am not some useless member either, i spend my days giving advice or have advice being given, it is how the forums should work.
i am grateful to members who offer their advice, and always offer a thank you, its proper edict. unfortunately you see a lot in this section,l avoiding a question or hijacking the thread so they can post an image of their own fish. that is not what this is about.

and its not just about the one question i posted, its about other questions i have seen that go unanswered, to the point i have seen these same betta questions in other sections of the forums because they know that section will give them an answer.

btw you rock 5teady its nice to have you back

 

[Tolak]

I read your previous thread and oddly enough you didn't seem to actually be asking a specific question.

This appears to be a question;

i have never had a betta this long and since i am unsure of his actual age i am not sure if this is old man betta things, or if he had a health problem i should be concerned with.

Also, we attack smaller tanks because…

I think we would all rather see an explanation rather than an attack. I’m wondering why the methods used by well known breeders aren’t examined in detail, as these most successful breeders often use the size of containers that are “attacked”.

Alas, it seems the only 'advice' available consists of endless repeats of '5g tank' and 'lots of plants'. Which is fine, if that's the question you're asking, but a) isn't nessecarily right and b) half the time is as much use as a xenon teapot.

Exactly. If others have success with varying methods, why are these methods not explored, to the point of being dismantled & reassembled into something that personally works for the individual? There are many methods that work and don’t work that are specific to each individual, their equipment, and their abilities.

I'd rather see a question go awhile not answered than every Tom,Dick and Harry with a bowl of Guppies answer it like Yahoo answers.

Very good point. I think one of the main reasons the topic of concern went with so few responses is that there are few members here that own geriatric bettas, myself included.

 

[woodstock]

A bit harsh there, isn't it? I looked back at the forum, and geez, I hardly see any "I'm-showing-off-my-betta-be-jealous." And bettas are bred for their beauty, are they not? They've been bred for halfmoons, veiltails, crowntails, my person favorite rosetail, insane colors, etc. Is it really that bad to be proud of a beautiful fish? Versus other fish who aren't bred so, like ... clownfish! Don't get me wrong, clownfish are just absolutely adorable. But they don't have the same individuality and distinction as bettas do from each other. Why not show off your betta? And I'd appreciate strong evidence of this, like 3-5 links or so. And showing pictures for advice / help with damage should not count, otherwise that's kinda narrowminded...

And for constant repeating of advice ... should every advice be different every single time said? For tank size: One day say 5 gallon, another say 2 gallon, another say 10 gallon, another say 15 gallon? This is what I stick with: 2.5 is definitely acceptable, 5 gallon is optimal, anything less than 2.5 deserves great dedication. A betta's tank size is pretty darn controversial. The best way to get your word through is through repetition. Otherwise it becomes feeble and whatnot.

I don't really get your argument here... I've "only" been here since Feb 20th, so unless stuff happened before then, then I hardly get your point here.

 

[5teady_2012]

This appears to be a question;

i have never had a betta this long and since i am unsure of his actual age i am not sure if this is old man betta things, or if he had a health problem i should be concerned with.

Very good point that tolak and i agree it seems to me he is asking a question.

And in responce to that i would expect someone to be able to answer that for him.