Rummynose Problem

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i just had a rummynose die
it stopped eating, got really thin, and died
2 others have done this why?
stats
nitrite=0
ammonia=0
nitrate=0
no clamped fins or flicking
softened water cause a calcium depletion which will weaken the fish?
tankmates-more rummynoses neons pleco and angelfish
i do water changes every two days to once a week
 
How many gallons is the tank.
Do you have live plants in the tank.
What yur tap nitrate reading.

What does it look like when the fish go to the toilet.
Check the anus of the fish to see if its enlarged or red any inflamed.
Any worms prutruding from the anus.
Do any fish look pale or darker in colour.
Any fish acting listless and lethagic.
Can the fish maintain there balance in the water.
Do any fish rest on plants or on the substrate to oneside.
Any signs of darting, flicking and rubbing, excess mucas, laboured breathing.
 
well the tank has been set up for 2 years
normal poop
symptoms are really thin not eating, seperate from group, and seem to turn a little lighter than a normal rummynose
they still ahve a really red head, even when the are sick
anus isnt inflammed
no worms

no lying on gravel
miantain balance
 
Any changes in ph as there very sensitive to ph changes.
Do the fish look stressed.
Did the fish lose weight due to not eating.
 
well, i was worried about the soft water because i heard there can be ph swings with it
could this be the problem?
they become thin then stop eating
 
How big is your tank? how many gallons? You may be doing too many water changes and upsetting the water chemistry.

The soft water up in scotland causes ph swings, when this happened in my tank the fish all gasped for air, and died of suffocation.
I rectified this by incresing aeration and adding a piece of limestone to the tank -which you can get from your LFS- to stabalise the ph.

How long does it take for the fish to die from when it first shows symptoms?
 
the tank is a 55
it takes about 3 weeks maybe more
i am talking about house softened water
i was thinking about switching to straight tap
maybe this would be more stable?
 
These are the signs of ph shock.


pH Shock

As its name suggests this condition occurs when a fish is introduced to quickly into a new environment which has a very different pH from the one it came from, when the pH is adjusted to quickly and the fish have little or no time to adjust themselves, or when the pH is to far outside the fishes normal range.

It is very important that any change in water chemistry is made slowly and fish should never be exposed to changes of pH greater than 0.5 of one unit on the pH scale in either direction.

Avoidance is by far the best solution because in most cases the symptoms don't appear until the second or third day by which time the damage has been done and the fish will probably die.

A fish suffering from this condition will show all the typical signs of shock -

Lying on the bottom and paying little or no attention to its surroundings and ignoring potential threats.
It may even lay on its side or go upside down completely.
There could be other signs to, related to Acidosis and Alkalosis
Excessive mucus production.
Rapid breathing.
Swollen abdomen. (Alkalosis only).
If the condition is allowed to go on for one or two days then the chances of a successful remedy are greatly reduced because a lot of damage will have taken place. If the symptoms are spotted early enough there are a couple of things that will help.

Begin to return the pH to the original pH in steps of 0.4 of one unit on the pH scale and allow 3 hrs in between the adjustments. Make these adjustments until the pH is returned to a safe and satisfactory level.
Treat the tank with a broad spectrum anti-Bacteria/Fungus compound to prevent secondary infections of the Skin and Gills.
Prevention is easy. A successful treatment isn't!
PH SHOCK LINK
http://groups.msn.com/FishHealth/phshock.msnw


I don't like the sound of the fish losing weight before they stopped eating.
It can mean not feeding enough, bacterial, internal parasites, stress, illness.
 
but the fish isnt laying on the gravel
not breathing rapidly
doesnt seem to have excess mucus
the fish seems to ahave a little bit of an intrest in food,
but it seems weak, so it cant compete against the other fish
ph would make sense though
 
regarding house water softeners:
'OK, so the process goes like this... There is an ion exchange resin in a tank... this stuff removes the water hardening minerals. Then on a regular basis the resin is flushed with extremely concentrated salt water from the salt holding tank. This helps recharge the resin.

If you test water from a softener the sodium is through the roof (unless you use one of the Potassium ones, then THAT is through the roof). Now for some fish this isn't a problem, for example Central American and RLA species. These species have a very effecient mineral export system because they regularly come from areas with extreme mineral content. On the other hand... lots of fish come from areas of extremely LOW mineral content water. These fish do not have a good way of exporting the minerals in their body.'

I copied and pasted this from somewhere. I cant say if its all true or not. Either way I would not be using water from a house water softener. Water softeners take out the calcium and magnesium ions in the water and replace with sodium ions. So your GH will be low and your KH may well be very high meaning a high and stable pH.

My advice is do a 50% water change with tap water and only use tap from now on. See if they improve any.
 

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