Rant About Some Members On This Forum And Stocking

[Kiwigirl]

Hey Valyrian

I see what ya sayin, but in the best interest of the newbies it's needed to help them gain the most out of their fishkeeping hobby without giving up to soon. As time goes by everyone gains experience no matter what they do, and start to push the boundries.

My honest opinion it's not worth leaping up and down about, we all know people either take advice or don't.

 

[Griz]

When this comes up there are generally three different types of scenarios:

1- Where a tank is quite obviously overstocked and few if any would say it's not. That one's easy.

2- Where it is a borderline case and is dependent upon the commitment of the fishkeeper, filtration, feeding habits, water chages etc. We simply don't know these variables and therefore tend to be conservative in stocking recommendations. I think that this is the correct approach in these cases.

3- Where other issues arise such as compatability. Fish that will not get along due to territorial reasons or ones that occupy the same space (usually the bottom), fish with differing pH, hardness or temperature requirements. In these cases it is not really a question of overstocking at all. These are the situations where people seem to get their back up. They ask if they can add a few tetras and suddenly their whole setup is questioned. The replies are not meant to be cruel but sometimes they come across that way.

My advice is simply this; participate in the discussions. If you feel someone has been treated harshly or you disagree with some advice - say so. Your opinion counts as much as anyone's.


P.S. I promised quite a while ago not to comment on that "so called" rule any more so I won't, but it's really tough to keep my mouth shut today.

 

[Tolak]

What should be remembered is to take into account how many years and how much experience the person(s) giving the advice are. I'd rather take advice from someone who has successfully raised a handful of fish for 20 years over someone who has raised hundreds over 2 or 3 years.

Ouch. I'll try not to take that too personally, seeing as I've raised several thousand fish over the last few years.

 

[pica_nuttalli]

What should be remembered is to take into account how many years and how much experience the person(s) giving the advice are. I'd rather take advice from someone who has successfully raised a handful of fish for 20 years over someone who has raised hundreds over 2 or 3 years.

Ouch. I'll try not to take that too personally, seeing as I've raised several thousand fish over the last few years.

shush! you're spoiling my image of you as the consummate old-timer

 

[Tolak]

What should be remembered is to take into account how many years and how much experience the person(s) giving the advice are. I'd rather take advice from someone who has successfully raised a handful of fish for 20 years over someone who has raised hundreds over 2 or 3 years.

Ouch. I'll try not to take that too personally, seeing as I've raised several thousand fish over the last few years.

shush! you're spoiling my image of you as the consummate old-timer

I keep an eye on my attitude & language while here, seeing as it's a family forum. I love to cause trouble in real life!

 

[Jesseh]

I hate these stupid rant threads, all they do is cause trouble

-Jess

 

[Griz]

I hate these stupid rant threads, all they do is cause trouble

-Jess

Couldn't agree more!

These generalized threads with "some members on this forum" in the title are beginning to wear thin. If someone has something to say or a complaint to make in a specific thread - Say It!

 

[Tolak]

I hate these stupid rant threads, all they do is cause trouble

-Jess

They can, adding in a little levity helps keep it in a better mood.

 

[QuotheRaven]

They cause trouble as Opinions clash...Im booking the next rant thread for madison square Garden set up a ring and have at it!!!

 

[Griz]

How about a new forum where we can really take the gloves off!

 

[QuotheRaven]

I book Tolak Vs Griz for the TFF Tank Size Title at MSG

 

[Griz]

I could be out of my weight class for that bout.

 

[Tolak]

Most people will post stocking rates on what they have read if they are newer, or what they have experienced if they have been at this for a while. No single person's experience is going to be the same as anyone else's, unless you are sharing aquatics experiences with people locally, sharing information on what you are doing, what works & what doesn't. Even then there are some variances that can't be explained, as fish often have individual temperments, and this can affect stocking compatability.

When people post asking about stocking, they may get several answers that greatly vary. The right answer is the one that works for them in their individual situation. Sometimes this is trial & error, but if nobody ever pushed the envelope much of the knowledge gained in aquatics would have never occured.

 

[Jesseh]

How about a new forum where we can really take the gloves off!

Now ur talking!

-Jess

 

[SamUK]

I hate these stupid rant threads, all they do is cause trouble

-Jess

agreed.


and jus a quick not to the original poster.



any advice is given as a basic guideline to get the person started or heading in the right direction!!

we tell them to lightly stock there tank and then when they have it all up and running they can think about what they can do to add more.

i dont kno about you but i dont have all day to tell people exactly what goes in there tank and when so i jus get them going and like all fish keepers should, let them do there own research to get the rest of the way.

I think in a lot of ways you guys are right, but I try to stay away from the 'inch per gallon' rule as it implies that I could keep a 10 inch fish in a 10 gallon tank (this is an extreme example).

no it doesnt at all.


the rule only applies to slim bodied fish under 3" so that rules out the 10" fish in the 10 gallon rite away and if you explain that then theres no problem.