Punteus Titteyas Have Fish "tb"? Help I Am Giving Up

[lucc]

My punteus titteyas some have bloated belly (the females but they are not pregnant) with blood staines close to fins anus but also across the belly. They have that pine cone effect little-bit going on.Also popping eyes, of´course they don´t eat for days now - maybe one week. They swimm on the surface for oxygen, or just hang there in the water or chasing eachother sometimes. The ones with bloated belly sometimes just almost drop down from the surffice to the floor. I saw one at the bottom trying to lie down on a side between the stones but then it swimms again. The males don´t eat and just hang there and one of them has slightly curved spine towards the end of his body.
One female with that belly etc. already died. We managed to separate 2 (1 male and 1 female -treating them with bactocure in the smaller plastick aquar. - I don´t have spare glass one) out of remaining 7. But the rest is still in main tank with the rest of the fish - we couldn´t get them - all of a sudden they got some energy and were escaping hiding etc. We have silver dollar and it is difficult to do anything in the aquarium with him in it. Also harlequins and the punteus mingle amongst them when we r trying to catch them. We will try tonight again. But I am very close to finish with it all!!!
Is it fish "TB"? Will I get it?
The other question I have: I have this product called Nitro-Zorb to remove amonia, nitrate and nitrite, but there is picture of RENA filter on it - obviously external filter. I have internal, can I use it for internal one? I don´t think it will even fit there. And if the answer is yes, where does it go? First the sponge then the carbon and then last goes Nitro-Zorb(at the bottom of it all) ? Also it says on it that it is for 230 l aquarium and I have 100 l. Thank you guys, everybody, Lucc

 

[the biffster]

sounds like dropsy to me
not tb

 

[jacko32]

sounds like dropsy to me with TB you usually get bent spines aswell

 

[lucc]

sounds like dropsy to me
not tb

Do you think biffster? The red patches could b dropsy? I again have red things on the internet and they said there that the bent spine is not always present and described exactly these symptomes.The only thing is I don´t see any black patches, although they say that not all the symptomes are always present. I am freaking out again. I do have to have the water tested!!!! But don´t worry I´ll be Ok. Thanks again. Lucc

sounds like dropsy to me with TB you usually get bent spines aswell

Thanks jacko, it would be better if it is dropsy, it is also very contagious guys, is it true?

 

[the biffster]

dropsy can be down to bad
water i all my time as a
fish keeper i have seen
very few cases of fish TB
like i say this one sounds like
dropsy by what you have said
have a read link

http/www.fishdeals.com/fish_diseases/dropsy/

 

[lucc]

dropsy can be down to bad
water i all my time as a
fish keeper i have seen
very few cases of fish TB
like i say this one sounds like
dropsy by what you have said
have a read link

http/www.fishdeals.com/fish_diseases/dropsy/

Ok thanks, I just don´t see any red patches on the body, that is what has confused me... Big thanks again. Lucc

 

[the biffster]

dropsy can be down to bad
water i all my time as a
fish keeper i have seen
very few cases of fish TB
like i say this one sounds like
dropsy by what you have said
have a read link

http/www.fishdeals.com/fish_diseases/dropsy/

Ok thanks, I just don´t see any red patches on the body, that is what has confused me... Big thanks again. Lucc

no problems

 

[lucc]

dropsy can be down to bad
water i all my time as a
fish keeper i have seen
very few cases of fish TB
like i say this one sounds like
dropsy by what you have said
have a read link

http/www.fishdeals.com/fish_diseases/dropsy/

Also have you got any experience with Nitro-Zorb product (poach you put in the filter - but I´m not sure if it is not just for the external) - they say in the brochure something about RENA filtres and they had picture there which definately looked like external one..... I´m worried to use it for my internal one. In my lfs I was told yes, but the leaflet is in english and these people from the shop don´t even speak english (and are not very good - not specialists really at all - it is a pet shop - not only fish - all the pets). lucc

 

[the biffster]

dropsy can be down to bad
water i all my time as a
fish keeper i have seen
very few cases of fish TB
like i say this one sounds like
dropsy by what you have said
have a read link

http/www.fishdeals.com/fish_diseases/dropsy/

Also have you got any experience with Nitro-Zorb product (poach you put in the filter - but I´m not sure if it is not just for the external) - they say in the brochure something about RENA filtres and they had picture there which definately looked like external one..... I´m worried to use it for my internal one. In my lfs I was told yes, but the leaflet is in english and these people from the shop don´t even speak english (and are not very good - not specialists really at all - it is a pet shop - not only fish - all the pets). lucc

i use to use nitra zorb
as long as they are in the
flow of the filter it will
work they a really for externals
what filter have you got

 

[lucc]

dropsy can be down to bad
water i all my time as a
fish keeper i have seen
very few cases of fish TB
like i say this one sounds like
dropsy by what you have said
have a read link

http/www.fishdeals.com/fish_diseases/dropsy/

Also have you got any experience with Nitro-Zorb product (poach you put in the filter - but I´m not sure if it is not just for the external) - they say in the brochure something about RENA filtres and they had picture there which definately looked like external one..... I´m worried to use it for my internal one. In my lfs I was told yes, but the leaflet is in english and these people from the shop don´t even speak english (and are not very good - not specialists really at all - it is a pet shop - not only fish - all the pets). lucc

i use to use nitra zorb
as long as they are in the
flow of the filter it will
work they a really for externals
what filter have you got

I have one which was included with the aquarium, so I guess the simplest one...
I don´t remember the name it is not on it. It´s included with the heater and there is only sponge and underneath I put carbon (of´course in the section next to it is the motor...)lucc

 

[the biffster]

dropsy can be down to bad
water i all my time as a
fish keeper i have seen
very few cases of fish TB
like i say this one sounds like
dropsy by what you have said
have a read link

http/www.fishdeals.com/fish_diseases/dropsy/

Also have you got any experience with Nitro-Zorb product (poach you put in the filter - but I´m not sure if it is not just for the external) - they say in the brochure something about RENA filtres and they had picture there which definately looked like external one..... I´m worried to use it for my internal one. In my lfs I was told yes, but the leaflet is in english and these people from the shop don´t even speak english (and are not very good - not specialists really at all - it is a pet shop - not only fish - all the pets). lucc

i use to use nitra zorb
as long as they are in the
flow of the filter it will
work they a really for externals
what filter have you got

I have one which was included with the aquarium, so I guess the simplest one...
I don´t remember the name it is not on it. It´s included with the heater and there is only sponge and underneath I put carbon (of´course in the section next to it is the motor...)lucc

will the pouch fit in instead
of the the carbon do you know
the name of the filter

 

[lucc]

dropsy can be down to bad
water i all my time as a
fish keeper i have seen
very few cases of fish TB
like i say this one sounds like
dropsy by what you have said
have a read link

http/www.fishdeals.com/fish_diseases/dropsy/

Also have you got any experience with Nitro-Zorb product (poach you put in the filter - but I´m not sure if it is not just for the external) - they say in the brochure something about RENA filtres and they had picture there which definately looked like external one..... I´m worried to use it for my internal one. In my lfs I was told yes, but the leaflet is in english and these people from the shop don´t even speak english (and are not very good - not specialists really at all - it is a pet shop - not only fish - all the pets). lucc

i use to use nitra zorb
as long as they are in the
flow of the filter it will
work they a really for externals
what filter have you got

I have one which was included with the aquarium, so I guess the simplest one...
I don´t remember the name it is not on it. It´s included with the heater and there is only sponge and underneath I put carbon (of´course in the section next to it is the motor...)lucc

will the pouch fit in instead
of the the carbon do you know
the name of the filter

Yes I am sure without the carbon the pouch will fit. But I don´t know the name of the filtr - no, I will have to have a look when I am at home....

 

[WILDER]

How many gallons or litres is the tank.
How many fish and which type.
Water stats in ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.

It sounds like a severe bacterial infection to me.
Blood patches and bleeding sounds like septicemia.
Popeye, and dropsy.
Falling onto the substrate and unable to get off the bottom of the tank sounds like a bacterial infection too.

Need to find the cause of the bent spine.
What does it look like when your fish go to the toilet.
Any worms sticking out of the anus.
Is the anus enlarged or red and inflamed.
Do any fish look skinny.
Is the belly sunken in.

I wouldn't say fish tb yet without knowing water stats, and ruling internal parasites out.

 

[lucc]

How many gallons or litres is the tank.
How many fish and which type.
Water stats in ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and ph.

It sounds like a severe bacterial infection to me.
Blood patches and bleeding sounds like septicemia.
Popeye, and dropsy.
Falling onto the substrate and unable to get off the bottom of the tank sounds like a bacterial infection too.

Need to find the cause of the bent spine.
What does it look like when your fish go to the toilet.
Any worms sticking out of the anus.
Is the anus enlarged or red and inflamed.
Do any fish look skinny.
Is the belly sunken in.

I wouldn't say fish tb yet without knowing water stats, and ruling internal parasites out.

Hi Wilder, the fish are OK now. The males punt.titteya are all OK including the one with slightly curved spine - looks like it is like that in that particular one. The females all died with the same symptomes (all 3 of them), rest of the fish are doing very good right now (I did lost 2 silver dollares too in the same crisis days before the puntteus developed this problem, but the s.dollares didn´t have any symptomes visible on their body at all.... I think it was overgrowth of bad bacterias and bad water reading (I didn´t have any testers - now I have and after many water changes - all is OK) What I did wrong, that in last about 3 water changes before the crisis I took the filtration system out of the water for the time of water changing and general maintenance and the good bacteria must have died - I am bigginner and learnt a lesson! Thanks a lot for help. Lucc

 

[WILDER]

The bent spine still a concern.



Keep a look out for when all your fish go to the toilet.