Prolapse? Dropsy? Help With Guppy

[Atlantis1]

Hey everyone I'm hoping someone can help me figure out what is wrong with one of my guppies. This particular guppy has always been a bit shy and is smaller than the rest, and normally eats alone. She's also a slightly different shape, her body is more square than the others (I don't know if any of this helps)

Last night I noticed that she had a red swelling/protrusion from her anus (prolapse) and she also has a swelling under her right front fin and her scales ar standing up there and she can't lay her fin down flat. I don't know if this is dropsy because it is only happening on one side, the left side of her body appears normal.
As of this morning it appears her prolapse has gone away however the swelling is still there.. I don't know if she is eating (she's in a hospital tank now) as she normally eats off the bottom when no ones around, but she has done a poo in the tank.

Does anyone know what this could be? Is it dropsy? How should I treat her?

I'll just say now that my ph is 7.5, ammonia and nitrites are 0 and nitrates is somewhere between 10-20.

Thank you for any help!!!

 

[PrairieSunflower]

It does sound like you described prolapse which does often go back in.  Prolapse can often cause infections, there is a possibility that she has suffered an infection that is causing dropsy.

Could you post a photo of how she is looking now?

 

[Atlantis1]

Thank you for your reply. The hospital tank she is in isn't transparent so the picture will have to be from above.. So I hope it's okay..
I don't know if it's possible to tell in that photo but the swelling seems confined to just one side.. Is that still considered dropsy?
Either way, what should I do to help her? I have currently at my disposal Epsom salts, melafix, primarix, blue planet rapid white spot remedy and blue planet fluke and tapeworm tablets..
I don't think my picture uploaded so I'll try again..
http/tinypic.com/r/dcr22d/8

 

[PrairieSunflower]

The best person around for treatment plans is Wilder (http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?/user/10177-wilder/), I'd suggest dropping a note to her.

Dropsy is usually the whole abdomen not just one side, so there is a possibility maybe there is a mass or infection on just the one side.  I can't make out from your photo if any scales are sticking out.  My thoughts go towards anti-internal bacteria meds but I think asking Wilder first is the best idea!

 

[WILDER]

Bless Her.
Cam't see the pic to be honest.
 
What does it look like when she goes to the toilet?
Feel the swelling to see if it does feel like bloating, or hard and solid like a lump beneath the skin.
 
Red enlarged anus can also indicate driopsy, internal parasites.
 
Have you noticed any of these symptoms.
 
Fish that look skinny, or bloated, apart from the sick one.
Sunken in belly.
Enlarged anus, red inflamed anus.
Bent spine.
Long stringy white waste, or clear waste.
Fish swimming on there sides.
Spitting food out.
Worms sticking out of the anus.,
 
All you can do for now it isolate and use epsom salts.
Internal bacteria medication.

 

[Atlantis1]

All of my other fish seem fine.. One of the males isn't eating but he pecks at the plants and stuff in the aquarium so I think he's okay, he's the only one that looks a little skinny.. I haven't seen any white stringy poo or any of the other symptoms. I recently just treated my tank for ich because one of them ( the male I just spoke about) had it and I didn't want to isolate him and just treat him, risking the others getting it...
She got the prolapse and lump on the second day after treatment if that helps anything..
I'll see if I can get a better picture soon..
How does one treat with Epsom salts? Can anyone recommend a brand of internal bacteria meds? I'm assuming melafix will only deal with external ones..

Thank you all for helping
Sorry I just saw the other question. When she goes to the toilet it's looks normal, red in colour (the food is red), but maybe a little small like 1-2 cm.. I've only seen her go to the toilet twice since she got sick

 

[WILDER]

One table spoon full of epsom salt to one gallon for a bath.. Tank one teaspoon to 5 gallons. For a bath twice a day for twenty minutes.
I think you can get triple sulfa in your country but not sure if it knocks your good bacteria in your filter.
So isolation would be best.
 
Some information on the medication.
 
http/www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=4829

 

[Atlantis1]

I just got some more pictures.. I just noticed the male in the actual aquarium does have a long white stringy part of his poo, and also the sick female (in quarantine) has uneven poos. All my pictures are too big so I'm uploaded them on tiny pic
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Maybe the male that because he isn't really eating? I was thinking of tying his in some blood worms, they normally love those..

 

[WILDER]

OK.
Feed some shelled peas.
Will  you isolate the sick fish for treatment or just add the medication to the whole tank?
 
Once the medication course is up I would think about worming your fish for camallanous worms.
 
Get you some information.

 

[Atlantis1]

I tried to feel her lump too but she kept getting away and I didn't want to stress her more

 

[WILDER]

One of the better medications for camallanous worms is levaimsole.
 

Camallanus

 

 

Symptoms:

When the fish is stationary, deep red worms can be seen protruding from the anal pore. They are only visible when the fish is still because the worms retreat into the intestine at the fish�s slightest movement. Other signs may include an inflamed and enlarged anus. In severe infestations, the fish may become emaciated and spinal curvature may also occur.
 


 

Cause: 

The parasitic worms Camallanus Cotti and Camallanus lacustris. These small, livebearing parasitic worms attach to the intestinal walls and rectum with pinchers. The worm�s grip is so tight that any attempts to remove it forcibly will rip away tissue from the intestinal wall. The worm�s pinching causes ischemia (reduced blood flow) to that part of the intestine. In time, the tissue to that part of the intestine will die, at which time the worm will migrate to another part of the intestine. This causes perforations throughout the intestine, which allows other pathogens to gain entry. If the fish is not treated, either the parasite or bacterial will kill the fish. Camallanus infestations occur most often in livebearing fish such as Guppies and Mollies, though infection is possible in all fish. Camallanus infestations are contagious. All fish, including those not yet showing visible symptoms, as well as the aquarium, should be treated.
 


 

Treatment: 

Treat with Internal Parasite Guard, Pipzine, Disco-Worm, Trichlorfon or Fluke-Tabs as well as a medicated food to prevent a bacterial infection.

 

[Atlantis1]

I isolated the sick female as soon as the prolapse happened, she's been alone in ever own tank this whole time.
Do I recommend I treat the other tank too?

 

[WILDER]

I tried to feel her lump too but she kept getting away and I didn't want to stress her more 
 
OK. Bless her.
 
Just wanted to find out if it was a lump causing the scales to raise also..
I would still treat with the internal bacteria medication.
Keep a look out for signs of internal parasites.
Also see if the peas clear the stringy white waste up.
Add frozen peas to boiling water for a few minutes. Remove and let cool down.
Pop out of shell and chop into small pieces and add to the tank.
Remove uneaten peas after a few hours.

 

[Atlantis1]

Will the blueplanet fluke and tapeworm worming tablets work for that? I have to go out today when the shops are open to get this internal bacteria meds so I can have a look for the other one then too.
Thank you so much for posting all the information, I really appreciate all the help you are giving me

 

[WILDER]

If only one fish is sick it's best to treat the fish in isolation.
For internal parasites you need to treat the whole tank.

I will get you some information of medications that are affective on camallanous worms.

Medications
There are numerous medication options for treating Camallanus worms in aquarium fish including fenbendazole, levamisole, and praziquantel. These do not necessarily kill the worms, and in some cases only paralyze them, which results in them being pushed out of the gut and into the aquarium (which the aquarist will see when the pink or white worms emerge and detach from the anus). Within 24 hours of medicating the substrate should be thoroughly cleaned to remove the worms. Normally three treatments are required, each one week apart.
 
Information take from this link.
http/www.fishchannel.com/fish-health/freshwater-conditions/camallanus-worms.aspx

Ask for an internal bacteria medication that treats gram negative, and gram positive bacteria.
 
Good Luck.
 
Do you mind letting us all know how you get on.