Problems Again ! Fin Rot Comming Back ?!

[WILDER]

Finrot can be a secondary infection.
If \ a betta has been kept in bad water quality for a long time the veins in the tails the blood dosn't circulate to well ending ih finrot all the time.

 

[lili70]

Finrot can be a secondary infection.
If \ a betta has been kept in bad water quality for a long time the veins in the tails the blood dosn't circulate to well ending ih finrot all the time.

He was for a while at Petsmart but when i got him the stain was small and almost invisible. He was for months with me and he was fine. What hapened all of the sudden that made everything worse. Try to believe me that my fish tanks are impecable. I am testing water everydaY and I bought in the last 6 months 2 kits for amonia and nitrite (each) just to prevent the disease because I got so scared with the sick neon. I am cleaning the gravel twice a week or more.

How can I help him if it's what you said ? If it was your fish would you try another antibiotic ? It looks gram positive (if TC is gram negative and had no results). What else but Maracyn works gram positive ?
What do you think about Paraguard (Sachem) ?
L

 

[WILDER]

Can I ask what the neon sickness is and it it a neon tetra.
Can we take a look at your water stats as you can over clean tanks.
I would do another 10 days of the tetracyline to be honest.

 

[lili70]

Can I ask what the neon sickness is and it it a neon tetra.
Can we take a look at your water stats as you can over clean tanks.
I would do another 10 days of the tetracyline to be honest.

You can be sure I am overcleaning ...
Amonia 0, nitrite 0 and I don't have kit for nitrate. PH 7.5-8.

The neon died (I posted) 2 months ago. Everything started with 3 guppy. They all died in the first week in a separtate tank. They had fin rot and the female had something like a worm comming out of anus. I got rid of that tank (it was a stupid one with glass lid). But somehow with my hands or net I spreaded the disease to my 10 gal. One neon got it and he had dropsy but I treated him in a hospital tank and I kept him alive for a week. He looked like he was getting better, not swolen, colors back but still popeye. Then he died.
So I moved the shrimps and I treated the 10 gal with both Maracyn. Since then ... no problem. But I had to buy a new tank for betta because he became very agressive. I cycled it with the shrimps and media from the 10 gal. Then I moved him there. But the fin rot already started when I moved him.

I have:
- 10 gal with 5 neons, shrimp, 1 otto, snail, 1 dwarf gourami (new for a week)
- 5 gal with 1 female betta and yo-yo : never got a disease and getting big ...
- 2.5 gal with 2 female betta, separated : never got any disease and growing nice (they were very little and bought the in a very bad shape from Petsmart) blooming with no meds
- 2 gal with the betta male - the PROBLEM
All the above have filter, air and heaters (suitable for their size).
I am reading and trying to do the right thing. I wish I had bought a dog for my son .... easier than fish.
Thanks for help and listening .....

 

[lili70]

And ... if Cleo dies I'm in trouble with my son. I can hide a neon death but not Cleo.

 

[lili70]

I am at day 4 Tri-Sulfa ... Cleo is.
He is still fine, but I don't see much improvement in his tail.
I'll keep doing this treatment for 10 days and I'll let you know.
I have tried dips in Paraguard too (3). Nothing.
I never thought fin rot can be so hard to cure. I don't know what else to try .....
Thank you all for advice.
L

 

[WILDER]

If you have had an internal parasite in your tank you need to dose all the tanks with a internal wormer.
Internal worms do a lot of damage to the insides of the fish resulting in bacterial infections on top.

 

[lili70]

If you have had an internal parasite in your tank you need to dose all the tanks with a internal wormer.
Internal worms do a lot of damage to the insides of the fish resulting in bacterial infections on top.

I didn't have a parasite.
I just tried Paraguard to see if it makes a difference. I know you said don't treat untill you are sure what ... but I hoped to get lucky.
This fish doesn't act sick but his tail looks bad. I'll finish the Tri-sulfa and that's it. Maybe he is just old.
L

 

[WILDER]

You said here that a female, female had something like a worm comming out of anus.
Camallanous worms are nasty and cause alot of damage.

If the betta fins are not clearing up with very good meds, it sounds like it might have the parasites which is stopping the fish getting better.
What does it look like when the betta goes to the toilet.

 

[lili70]

You said here that a female, female had something like a worm comming out of anus.
Camallanous worms are nasty and cause alot of damage.

If the betta fins are not clearing up with very good meds, it sounds like it might have the parasites which is stopping the fish getting better.
What does it look like when the betta goes to the toilet.

Cleo's poo is like the betta-girsl poo. I never hanging on, I find it on the gravel . It's brown when I give him betta bites and brown-redish when I give him frozen food. I cannot distinguish his anus, not visible.
You are right, that guppy female looked like having Camallanous. I don't even have that fish tank anymore ... but, contamination may happen.
You are right, I have the same feeling that is something hidden here and I just cannot find it.
Cleo is a big betta and since I've bought it it got bigger. But in the last 2 months he didn't grow anymore. With what I feed them, my girls are getting very big. One of them is in a 5gal and she is swimming like a zebra-danios, very fast .... you can see she is very strong (maybe because the filter is powerful and she got muscles). The other two are separated in a 2.5 gal but I'm not sure for how long they will fit in there. Even my neons and shrimps are big, the biggest neons I saw.I assume that the one in stores are babies.
If you want me to treat Cleo for internal parasite ... I will. What is the american version of flubenol ?
I have to monitor twice a day Cleo's fish tank because I have noticed one day a little spike in nitrates .... no wonder after TC and all medications ..... biofilter is messed up.
Let me know what you think and many thanks for your time.
L

Added:
I did some reading.
One of my idea is that I should feed him with meds not treat the water. There is a product Seachem-Focus which can be used to make the meds stay in the frozen food. I thought about some Metronidazole-Seachem mixed with Focus in frozen brine shrimp. What do you think ? Metronidazole should help for Callamarous too, right ? For Camallaraous I need Fenbendazole and Metronidazole, right ? I don't know yet what product contains both.
L

 

[WILDER]

Don't think it does any harm to worm fish I do.
Mix it in there food if you can.
Tolak best on how to use united states med maybe give him a pm he dosn't mind.
Though I remebers a post will look it up for you.
http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=216678

 

[lili70]

Don't think it does any harm to worm fish I do.
Mix it in there food if you can.
Tolak best on how to use united states med maybe give him a pm he dosn't mind.
Though I remebers a post will look it up for you.
<a href="http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=216678" target="_blank">http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=216678</a>

Thank you !
Very valuable info !
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This is what I do for angels, you may want to look into the maximum temp your fish can handle. Metro was originally designed for humans, the closer you can get the tank to 98.6F the better.

Put the angel in a quar tank, I usually use a 10 gallon. Increase the temp over a day or so to 90-94F. Treat daily with 40 mg/gallon metronidazole, with 50% water changes daily. If the fish isn't eating, don't feed for the first 3 days. After 3 days, get some frozen brine shrimp. Take a portion about the size of a few match heads, and sprinkle on some metro. You have to eyeball this one, make the shrimp look kind of like a tiny powdered donut. Once it thaws, mix it in & feed. Sometimes they still don't eat for a few days, but once they start to mouth the food & spit it out, the meds seem to get in their system real good. Continue medicating the water & food for 7-10 days.

Metronidazole is sold as flagyl, hex-a-mit, and a few other names I can't recall offhand, used to treat hexamita & hole in the head. They usually suggest 20mg/gallon, this often isn't enough. Metro deteriorates in 8 hours, so you could do twice daily water changes. I've done this on the weekends when I have time.

I've also added epsom salt while using metro, this helps with any constipation issues, cleans out the digestive tract. I start with 1 teaspoon per 10 gallons of water, increasing by 1 teaspoon daily for 2 more days to bring it up to 3 teaspoons per 10 gallons. You will have to adjust how much you use when doing water changes. You may want to give this a try.

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I tried the mix. He ate it. He eats a lot so ... I am not sure how much medicated food to give him. Without the garlic.
I cannot rise temp because I have a preset heater at 78 in this 2 gaL tank and I also have a very bad memory ..... so it's a big risk to count on me unpluging a heater. If I put a bigger heater the fish might get cooked.

I mixed Focus-Seachem with Metro+(Hikari) at 5:1 (as it says on Focus bottle) and shrimp.
The only strange thing that I noticed is that Cleo chewed this food .... like it got stuck in his teeth (sorry, I don't think he has any). But he didn't spit it. The Focus makes it look like clay.

I'll let you know.

What should I do about Tri-sulfa ? Continue with it and feed oraly Metronidazole in the same time ? How much can this fish take ? He looks fine, flaring at everything, always spread fins .... I changed one of his plants .... he is flaring at the plant. My instict tell me to stop Tri-sulfa ..... but you know better.

Betta fish are tough fish, that's for sure !!!
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L

 

[WILDER]

I would ask tolak as not sure on how long you feed with your meds.
Good luck.

 

[lili70]

I would ask tolak as not sure on how long you feed with your meds.
Good luck.

I did the Metronidazole. Nothing.
But a guy from Big Al said : "I had enough ! Why are you keep buying those meds ?!" I told him why. He said that this med Furanase is the one he is using when he does not know what to do anymore. Well I bought it and at day 3 I can see a change in the stain. Is lighter in color and the ends of the tail look better. I don't know if it will cure Cleo but at least I saw a change ....
I am surprised to see how much this fish can take. Poor soul ! Otherwise healthy, eating but not gobling and flaring at my hand. He also bit me one day. I think he hates me because of the meds ....
I trully hope he will get better ! Keep your fingers crossed for Cleo, please.
Thank you.
L

PS: Wilder, read please and tell me if I did wrong .....