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Hello I was wondering if anyone could let me know what they think this is on my female white Molly. Other than these grayish spots on her body she has recently been more aggressive, and clamping her fins more. I did some research and it could possibly be ich but I’d like a more experienced fish keeper to clarify before I put her in my hospital tank and treat her.
 

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I don’t see ich. Do you have any more pics with the fins showing?

In the meantime start doing daily water changes to help it. How much water do you normally change and how frequently?
 
How long has the tank been set up for?
How long has the filter been running for?
Have you cleaned the filter recently? If yes, when and how did you clean it?

How long have you had the molly for?
Have you added anything to the tank in the last 2 weeks?

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Clamped fins can be from poor water quality, as can milky white fins (your fish has that too). Check the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH of the water. Post the results here in numbers.

Rubbing on objects is usually external parasites (usually protozoan like white spot, velvet, Costia, Chilodonella, Trichodina). There don't appear to be any white spots and velvet looks like a gold/ yellow sheen over the body.

Cream, white or grey patches on part of the body are external protozoan infections (Costia, Chilodonella, Trichodina). These can be treated with salt (2 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres/ 5 gallons of water for 2 weeks). More info below about salt treatment.

Cream, white or grey film over the entire body and fins is usually poor water quality. Big daily water changes and gravel cleaning the substrate every day for a week normally fixes this.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it's added to the aquarium.

There's no point isolating the fish and treating it in a hospital tank because any disease will be in the main tank. Check the water quality and post the results. Then we will have more information on what to do.

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BASIC FIRST AID FOR FISH
Test the water for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH.

Wipe the inside of the glass down with a clean fish sponge. This removes the biofilm on the glass and the biofilm will contain lots of harmful bacteria, fungus, protozoans and various other microscopic life forms.

Do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate every day for a week or until the problem is identified. The water changes and gravel cleaning will reduce the number of disease organisms in the water and provide a cleaner environment for the fish to recover in. It also removes a lot of the gunk and this means any medication can work on treating the fish instead of being wasted killing the pathogens in the gunk.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it is added to the tank.

Clean the filter if it hasn't been done in the last 2 weeks. However, if the filter is less than 6 weeks old, do not clean it. Wash the filter materials/ media in a bucket of tank water and re-use the media. Tip the bucket of dirty water on the garden/ lawn. Cleaning the filter means less gunk and cleaner water with fewer pathogens so any medication (if needed) will work more effectively on the fish.

Increase surface turbulence/ aeration to maximise the dissolved oxygen in the water.

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WHAT TO DO BEFORE TREATING A TANK
To work out the volume of water in the tank:
measure length x width x height in cm.
divide by 1000.
= volume in litres.

When you measure the height, measure from the top of the substrate to the top of the water level.

If you have big rocks or driftwood in the tank, remove these before measuring the height of the water level so you get a more accurate water volume.

You can use a permanent marker to draw a line on the tank at the water level and put down how many litres are in the tank at that level.

There is a calculator/ converter in the "FishForum.net Calculator" under "Useful Links" at the top right of this page that will let you convert litres to gallons if you need it. I also linked it below.

Remove carbon from the filter before treating with chemicals or it will adsorb the medication and stop it working. You do not need to remove the carbon if you use salt.

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SALT TO TREAT FISH
You can add rock salt (often sold as aquarium salt), swimming pool salt, or any non iodised salt (sodium chloride) to the aquarium at the dose rate of 1 heaped tablespoon per 20 litres of water. If there is no improvement after 48 hours you can double that dose rate so there is 2 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

If you only have livebearers (guppies, platies, swordtails, mollies), goldfish or rainbowfish in the tank you can double that dose rate, so you would add 2 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres and if there is no improvement after 48 hours, then increase it so there is a total of 4 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

Keep the salt level like this for at least 2 weeks but no longer than 4 weeks otherwise kidney damage can occur. Kidney damage is more likely to occur in fish from soft water (tetras, Corydoras, angelfish, Bettas & gouramis, loaches) that are exposed to high levels of salt for an extended period of time, and is not an issue with livebearers, rainbowfish or other salt tolerant species.

The salt will not affect the beneficial filter bacteria but the higher dose rate (4 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres) will affect some plants and some snails. The lower dose rate (1-2 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres) will not affect fish, plants, shrimp or snails.

After you use salt and the fish have recovered, you do a 10% water change each day for a week using only fresh water that has been dechlorinated. Then do a 20% water change each day for a week. Then you can do bigger water changes after that. This dilutes the salt out of the tank slowly so it doesn't harm the fish.

If you do water changes while using salt, you need to treat the new water with salt before adding it to the tank. This will keep the salt level stable in the tank and minimise stress on the fish.

When you first add salt, add the salt to a small bucket of tank water and dissolve the salt. Then slowly pour the salt water into the tank near the filter outlet. Add the salt over a couple of minutes.
 
Just for information, moving a fish to a separate tank to treat for ich is pointless. When one fish has ich, the whole tank is infected so the whole tank needs to be treated.


One more question - how hard is the tank water - the GH? Mollies need hard water so if your water is soft, that could be affecting the molly.
 
I don’t see ich. Do you have any more pics with the fins showing?

In the meantime start doing daily water changes to help it. How much water do you normally change and how frequently?
in the last few weeks i have done 4-5 water changes(roughly twice a week) and i normally change 30-40 percent of the water.
also here are some more photos of the infected female molly.
 

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How long has the tank been set up for?
How long has the filter been running for?
Have you cleaned the filter recently? If yes, when and how did you clean it?

How long have you had the molly for?
Have you added anything to the tank in the last 2 weeks?

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Clamped fins can be from poor water quality, as can milky white fins (your fis
How long has the tank been set up for?
How long has the filter been running for?
Have you cleaned the filter recently? If yes, when and how did you clean it?

How long have you had the molly for?
Have you added anything to the tank in the last 2 weeks?

--------------------

Clamped fins can be from poor water quality, as can milky white fins (your fish has that too). Check the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH of the water. Post the results here in numbers.

Rubbing on objects is usually external parasites (usually protozoan like white spot, velvet, Costia, Chilodonella, Trichodina). There don't appear to be any white spots and velvet looks like a gold/ yellow sheen over the body.

Cream, white or grey patches on part of the body are external protozoan infections (Costia, Chilodonella, Trichodina). These can be treated with salt (2 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres/ 5 gallons of water for 2 weeks). More info below about salt treatment.

Cream, white or grey film over the entire body and fins is usually poor water quality. Big daily water changes and gravel cleaning the substrate every day for a week normally fixes this.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it's added to the aquarium.

There's no point isolating the fish and treating it in a hospital tank because any disease will be in the main tank. Check the water quality and post the results. Then we will have more information on what to do.

--------------------

BASIC FIRST AID FOR FISH
Test the water for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH.

Wipe the inside of the glass down with a clean fish sponge. This removes the biofilm on the glass and the biofilm will contain lots of harmful bacteria, fungus, protozoans and various other microscopic life forms.

Do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate every day for a week or until the problem is identified. The water changes and gravel cleaning will reduce the number of disease organisms in the water and provide a cleaner environment for the fish to recover in. It also removes a lot of the gunk and this means any medication can work on treating the fish instead of being wasted killing the pathogens in the gunk.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it is added to the tank.

Clean the filter if it hasn't been done in the last 2 weeks. However, if the filter is less than 6 weeks old, do not clean it. Wash the filter materials/ media in a bucket of tank water and re-use the media. Tip the bucket of dirty water on the garden/ lawn. Cleaning the filter means less gunk and cleaner water with fewer pathogens so any medication (if needed) will work more effectively on the fish.

Increase surface turbulence/ aeration to maximise the dissolved oxygen in the water.

--------------------

WHAT TO DO BEFORE TREATING A TANK
To work out the volume of water in the tank:
measure length x width x height in cm.
divide by 1000.
= volume in litres.

When you measure the height, measure from the top of the substrate to the top of the water level.

If you have big rocks or driftwood in the tank, remove these before measuring the height of the water level so you get a more accurate water volume.

You can use a permanent marker to draw a line on the tank at the water level and put down how many litres are in the tank at that level.

There is a calculator/ converter in the "FishForum.net Calculator" under "Useful Links" at the top right of this page that will let you convert litres to gallons if you need it. I also linked it below.

Remove carbon from the filter before treating with chemicals or it will adsorb the medication and stop it working. You do not need to remove the carbon if you use salt.

--------------------

SALT TO TREAT FISH
You can add rock salt (often sold as aquarium salt), swimming pool salt, or any non iodised salt (sodium chloride) to the aquarium at the dose rate of 1 heaped tablespoon per 20 litres of water. If there is no improvement after 48 hours you can double that dose rate so there is 2 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

If you only have livebearers (guppies, platies, swordtails, mollies), goldfish or rainbowfish in the tank you can double that dose rate, so you would add 2 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres and if there is no improvement after 48 hours, then increase it so there is a total of 4 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

Keep the salt level like this for at least 2 weeks but no longer than 4 weeks otherwise kidney damage can occur. Kidney damage is more likely to occur in fish from soft water (tetras, Corydoras, angelfish, Bettas & gouramis, loaches) that are exposed to high levels of salt for an extended period of time, and is not an issue with livebearers, rainbowfish or other salt tolerant species.

The salt will not affect the beneficial filter bacteria but the higher dose rate (4 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres) will affect some plants and some snails. The lower dose rate (1-2 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres) will not affect fish, plants, shrimp or snails.

After you use salt and the fish have recovered, you do a 10% water change each day for a week using only fresh water that has been dechlorinated. Then do a 20% water change each day for a week. Then you can do bigger water changes after that. This dilutes the salt out of the tank slowly so it doesn't harm the fish.

If you do water changes while using salt, you need to treat the new water with salt before adding it to the tank. This will keep the salt level stable in the tank and minimise stress on the fish.

When you first add salt, add the salt to a small bucket of tank water and dissolve the salt. Then slowly pour the salt water into the tank near the filter outlet. Add the salt over a couple of minutes.

h has that too). Check the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH of the water. Post the results here in numbers.

Rubbing on objects is usually external parasites (usually protozoan like white spot, velvet, Costia, Chilodonella, Trichodina). There don't appear to be any white spots and velvet looks like a gold/ yellow sheen over the body.

Cream, white or grey patches on part of the body are external protozoan infections (Costia, Chilodonella, Trichodina). These can be treated with salt (2 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres/ 5 gallons of water for 2 weeks). More info below about salt treatment.

Cream, white or grey film over the entire body and fins is usually poor water quality. Big daily water changes and gravel cleaning the substrate every day for a week normally fixes this.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it's added to the aquarium.

There's no point isolating the fish and treating it in a hospital tank because any disease will be in the main tank. Check the water quality and post the results. Then we will have more information on what to do.

--------------------

BASIC FIRST AID FOR FISH
Test the water for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH.

Wipe the inside of the glass down with a clean fish sponge. This removes the biofilm on the glass and the biofilm will contain lots of harmful bacteria, fungus, protozoans and various other microscopic life forms.

Do a 75% water change and gravel clean the substrate every day for a week or until the problem is identified. The water changes and gravel cleaning will reduce the number of disease organisms in the water and provide a cleaner environment for the fish to recover in. It also removes a lot of the gunk and this means any medication can work on treating the fish instead of being wasted killing the pathogens in the gunk.
Make sure any new water is free of chlorine/ chloramine before it is added to the tank.

Clean the filter if it hasn't been done in the last 2 weeks. However, if the filter is less than 6 weeks old, do not clean it. Wash the filter materials/ media in a bucket of tank water and re-use the media. Tip the bucket of dirty water on the garden/ lawn. Cleaning the filter means less gunk and cleaner water with fewer pathogens so any medication (if needed) will work more effectively on the fish.

Increase surface turbulence/ aeration to maximise the dissolved oxygen in the water.

--------------------

WHAT TO DO BEFORE TREATING A TANK
To work out the volume of water in the tank:
measure length x width x height in cm.
divide by 1000.
= volume in litres.

When you measure the height, measure from the top of the substrate to the top of the water level.

If you have big rocks or driftwood in the tank, remove these before measuring the height of the water level so you get a more accurate water volume.

You can use a permanent marker to draw a line on the tank at the water level and put down how many litres are in the tank at that level.

There is a calculator/ converter in the "FishForum.net Calculator" under "Useful Links" at the top right of this page that will let you convert litres to gallons if you need it. I also linked it below.

Remove carbon from the filter before treating with chemicals or it will adsorb the medication and stop it working. You do not need to remove the carbon if you use salt.

--------------------

SALT TO TREAT FISH
You can add rock salt (often sold as aquarium salt), swimming pool salt, or any non iodised salt (sodium chloride) to the aquarium at the dose rate of 1 heaped tablespoon per 20 litres of water. If there is no improvement after 48 hours you can double that dose rate so there is 2 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

If you only have livebearers (guppies, platies, swordtails, mollies), goldfish or rainbowfish in the tank you can double that dose rate, so you would add 2 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres and if there is no improvement after 48 hours, then increase it so there is a total of 4 heaped tablespoons of salt per 20 litres.

Keep the salt level like this for at least 2 weeks but no longer than 4 weeks otherwise kidney damage can occur. Kidney damage is more likely to occur in fish from soft water (tetras, Corydoras, angelfish, Bettas & gouramis, loaches) that are exposed to high levels of salt for an extended period of time, and is not an issue with livebearers, rainbowfish or other salt tolerant species.

The salt will not affect the beneficial filter bacteria but the higher dose rate (4 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres) will affect some plants and some snails. The lower dose rate (1-2 heaped tablespoons per 20 litres) will not affect fish, plants, shrimp or snails.

After you use salt and the fish have recovered, you do a 10% water change each day for a week using only fresh water that has been dechlorinated. Then do a 20% water change each day for a week. Then you can do bigger water changes after that. This dilutes the salt out of the tank slowly so it doesn't harm the fish.

If you do water changes while using salt, you need to treat the new water with salt before adding it to the tank. This will keep the salt level stable in the tank and minimise stress on the fish.

When you first add salt, add the salt to a small bucket of tank water and dissolve the salt. Then slowly pour the salt water into the tank near the filter outlet. Add the salt over a couple of minutes.
hello colin.
The tank has been set up for 3 weeks now and i have been checking water parameters every day with the api master test kit. also used Benificial bacteria, seachem stability.
the filter has been running for 3 weeks as well.
i have not cleaned the filter recently.

The female molly in question ive had for about a week.

I did recently add a female black molly in the tank and she just gave birth to fry.

incase this helps, the water parameters today are as follows.

pH- 7.8
ammonia- shows some but definitely less than 0.25 and i have also been making sure to add a little seachem prime to help
nitrite- 0
nitrate- 0
temperature- 78.4 consistantly
i do not have a tester for hardness so i used petco water testing strips and it says my water is "very hard"

also thank you for all the information. i have learned a lot from your post.
 
Just for information, moving a fish to a separate tank to treat for ich is pointless. When one fish has ich, the whole tank is infected so the whole tank needs to be treated.


One more question - how hard is the tank water - the GH? Mollies need hard water so if your water is soft, that could be affecting the molly.
thank you! and i just used water test strips for GH and it reads "very hard"
 
Two quick observations-

1. Ich is pretty easy to identify. It looks like salt crystals on a fish. What you have is not Ich. Do google for "Ich on fish" then choose images and you will see a lot of pics. If the pics is not well in focus it may not show the ich spots clearly.

2. Seachem Stability contains no nitrifying bacteria which reproduce by dividing. Nitrifying bacteria do not form spores. Stability is a bottle of s[ores. Use either Dr. Tim's One and only for Fresh Water or else Tetras Safe Starte of Safe Start Plus. Both of these contain the needed
nitrifying bacteria.

Q. Why does Stability™ not need refrigeration? If there's living bacteria in the solution, how do they stay alive for so long? Or is there something else besides bacteria in the product altogether?

A: The bacteria in Stability™ are alive but not active. They exist in a spore form. They can withstand extreme temperatures and do not require food to survive. When you add them to your aquarium they become active due to dilution.

Go here https://www.seachem.com/stability.php then click on FAQ and you will read the above.
 
hello colin.
The tank has been set up for 3 weeks now and i have been checking water parameters every day with the api master test kit. also used Benificial bacteria, seachem stability.
the filter has been running for 3 weeks as well.
i have not cleaned the filter recently.

The female molly in question ive had for about a week.

I did recently add a female black molly in the tank and she just gave birth to fry.

incase this helps, the water parameters today are as follows.

pH- 7.8
ammonia- shows some but definitely less than 0.25 and i have also been making sure to add a little seachem prime to help
nitrite- 0
nitrate- 0
temperature- 78.4 consistantly
i do not have a tester for hardness so i used petco water testing strips and it says my water is "very hard"

also thank you for all the information. i have learned a lot from your post.
If the tank is only 3 weeks old you are probably doing a fish in cycle, which simply means there are fish in the tank while the filter develops the colonies of good bacteria that keep ammonia and nitrite down. This cycle tanks around 4-6 weeks to do and you can get ammonia and nitrite readings during that time.

Any ammonia in water with a pH of 7.8 could irritate the fish and cause them to produce a bit more mucous, which will show up as a cream or white film over the head, body and fins.

Don't clean the filter until it is 8 weeks old or at least 2 (preferably 4) weeks after the tank has finished cycling. A tank has finished cycling when the ammonia and nitrite levels have both gone up and then come back down to 0ppm. It's then considered cycled. If the filter gets dirty during that time and the flow of water is significantly reduced, then you can clean it. However, unless that happens, try to hold off cleaning it for another 5-6 weeks. When you do have to clean it, do it like I described in post 3 (wash filter media in a bucket of tank water and re-use the media).

You can test the water every couple of days to save some of the test kit reagents and help extend the lift of the test kits. Once the tank is cycled you can test once a week or every couple of weeks or if the fish get sick.

The KH and GH are normally stable and don't vary much throughout the year so most people only test them a few times a year. You can do it more often if you like but it doesn't normally change unless you get water from a different source, which might happen in spring, summer or winter, depending on where you live.

Keep test kits in a cool, dark, dry place away from children and animals. I kept my kits in an icecream bucket with a lid on the bottom shelf in the fridge. Make sure kids don't get it because the reagents are usually toxic.

You should wash your hands with soapy water after using the test kits or working in the tank.

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Is the fish rubbing on anything in the tank?
Fish with external parasites like protozoan infections usually rub on objects in the tank. If she isn't rubbing on anything then it's unlikely to be white spot or a protozoan infection. However, you have only had her for a week and she might be carrying something that just haven't developed into a full blown infection yet. White spot or other types of protozoan parasite should have shown up within 1-2 weeks of getting the new fish (usually sooner, 3-4 days).

I can't see any white spot but there are a couple of small white dots on the left pectoral (side) fin in picture below. Those dots look more like calcium deposits in the fin rays and aren't normally anything to worry about.
https://www.fishforums.net/attachments/img_0247-jpg.371622/

At this stage I would monitor and see what happens over the next few weeks. If anything changes (she starts rubbing on objects or there are distinctive white dots that look like grains of salt sprinkled over the fish) then let us know ASAP. Just add the info to this thread so we know what has happened up to that time, and we will go from there. Until then just keep doing water changes a couple of times a week and look after them the best you can.

Don't add anymore fish until the tank has finished cycling. If there is a disease or ammonia problem, adding more fish will make things worse and increase the ammonia levels.
 
An API test kit, and many of the kits used in the hobby, measure what is called Total Ammonia. Ammonia is NH3. When it disolves in water it turns mostly into ammonium which is NH4. NH4 is way less toxic that NH3. There are calculators available online which can break down a Total ammonia reading into its two components.

How much is in each form depends on several other factors- the pH. the temperature and the presence of any salt in the water. Since you reported your pH an7.8 and your ammonia at 0,25 ppm I could do most of the calculation to feed into the ammonia calculator I use. But I had to make two assumptions. The first was that there is no salt in your water and the second was your water temp. which I assumed to be 78F.

Here are the results: NH4 24.08 ppm and NH3 0.0092 ppm. This is not a danger to your fish and you do not need to take any action.
 
At 0,25 ppm and pH 7.8 the ammonia
in your tank is not toxic to fish.To understand why, go here and read the first section on Ammonia poisoning. I ran your numbers but had to assume the temp. which you did not list, so I used 78F.
https://www.fishforums.net/threads/rescuing-a-fish-in-cycle-gone-wild-part-il.433778/

The link to the ammonia calculator I use and instruction for how to fill in the information can be found at the above link. Here are the results below

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(edited to fix typos)

The NH3 number is so low they do not change the Total Ammonia NH3 + NH4. To be exact out to 4 places the number for NH4would be 0.2408 ppm. The numbers suggest as the red line for NH3 in a tank before one needs to take action is 0.05 ppm. This number is on the conservative side as different fish have different levels of ammonia (NH3) which they can handle. I used the 0.05 ppm number in the article because I want to make sure any readers do not have fish which would be bothered by a number above 0.05 ppm.
 

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If the tank is only 3 weeks old you are probably doing a fish in cycle, which simply means there are fish in the tank while the filter develops the colonies of good bacteria that keep ammonia and nitrite down. This cycle tanks around 4-6 weeks to do and you can get ammonia and nitrite readings during that time.

Any ammonia in water with a pH of 7.8 could irritate the fish and cause them to produce a bit more mucous, which will show up as a cream or white film over the head, body and fins.

Don't clean the filter until it is 8 weeks old or at least 2 (preferably 4) weeks after the tank has finished cycling. A tank has finished cycling when the ammonia and nitrite levels have both gone up and then come back down to 0ppm. It's then considered cycled. If the filter gets dirty during that time and the flow of water is significantly reduced, then you can clean it. However, unless that happens, try to hold off cleaning it for another 5-6 weeks. When you do have to clean it, do it like I described in post 3 (wash filter media in a bucket of tank water and re-use the media).

You can test the water every couple of days to save some of the test kit reagents and help extend the lift of the test kits. Once the tank is cycled you can test once a week or every couple of weeks or if the fish get sick.

The KH and GH are normally stable and don't vary much throughout the year so most people only test them a few times a year. You can do it more often if you like but it doesn't normally change unless you get water from a different source, which might happen in spring, summer or winter, depending on where you live.

Keep test kits in a cool, dark, dry place away from children and animals. I kept my kits in an icecream bucket with a lid on the bottom shelf in the fridge. Make sure kids don't get it because the reagents are usually toxic.

You should wash your hands with soapy water after using the test kits or working in the tank.

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Is the fish rubbing on anything in the tank?
Fish with external parasites like protozoan infections usually rub on objects in the tank. If she isn't rubbing on anything then it's unlikely to be white spot or a protozoan infection. However, you have only had her for a week and she might be carrying something that just haven't developed into a full blown infection yet. White spot or other types of protozoan parasite should have shown up within 1-2 weeks of getting the new fish (usually sooner, 3-4 days).

I can't see any white spot but there are a couple of small white dots on the left pectoral (side) fin in picture below. Those dots look more like calcium deposits in the fin rays and aren't normally anything to worry about.
https://www.fishforums.net/attachments/img_0247-jpg.371622/

At this stage I would monitor and see what happens over the next few weeks. If anything changes (she starts rubbing on objects or there are distinctive white dots that look like grains of salt sprinkled over the fish) then let us know ASAP. Just add the info to this thread so we know what has happened up to that time, and we will go from there. Until then just keep doing water changes a couple of times a week and look after them the best you can.

Don't add anymore fish until the tank has finished cycling. If there is a disease or ammonia problem, adding more fish will make things worse and increase the ammonia levels.
thank you so much, this community is great! I will make sure to reply to the thread if anything changes for the worse
 

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