Planting An Established Tank

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I'm new to fishkeeping and very new to keeping live plants, as in, I never have before, but would very much like to, so I have a boatload of questions. To start though, I have a 10 gal tank, with fish, that has been running well for a while, now. I'd like to know if it is advisable or not to try to plant a tank that already has fish (6 harlequins and 2 corys). I don't have another tank to keep them in. So, is this alright to do, and if so, how would I go about it (as far as adding substrate, etc.)? Thank you!

Best,
Chris
 
I'm sure someone else will give you better options but what I would do (and I'm contemplating doing at the moment to end my algae nightmare) is to put the fish in a bucket of the tank water and run the heater and filter in the bucket to keep it active, drain, clean (removing as much mulm detritus ect as possible), add chosen substrate then plant and refill treating it much like a new tank only that it won't need cycling.
another thing I should ask is tank specs?
light filtration dimensions co2 (if any)?
 
It depends on how planted you want it really. I just have normal gravel in my tank with some root tabs and liquid ferts, everything is going fine for me.

How much light have you got?
 
Well, I have a 15 watt 5500k bulb, at the moment, which is obviously less than 2 watts per gallon (10 gal), but, no big deal to get a new bulb. I hear a lot of raving about Eco-Complete, and I'm not sure about the gravel I have. It may be slightly too big. CO2 may be something for the future, but I've read it can do alot to a tank, so I figured I'd give it a go without it, first, and see what happens. I don't know if that's a good idea; I'm still just trying to feel my way through this.

garuf; I haven't thought about just using the bucket I use for vaccing and water changes, thanks for that idea.

Ian H; what kind of plants and lighting have you got?

Thanks for the replies!

Best,
Chris
 
When you say no probs getting a new bulb, do you mean starter/ballast unit too? If you just get another bulb you will still only have 15W.

With 1.5WPG over a 10 Gallon I think it would be a little pointless injecting CO2 or indeed adding a nutritious substrate as there would be not enough light to drive the plants intake upward. They should be OK with fish waste etc.

Andy
 
Andy; I'm a little embarassed as I should have known that I'd need a new ballast, as well :blush: . Thanks for pointing that out. I searched the internet a bit to try to find a new one, but I may have been looking in the wrong place or at the wrong stuff, cause I didn't find any. From your post though, I'm assuming that I'd be able to grow a few plants, as is? I see java fern is recommended quite a bit, do you (or anyone) have any other plant suggestions for my current setup?

Best,
Chris
 
After doing a quick search myself of US sites it seems the US lighting is more geared towards saltwater setups and when it comes to planted tanks the sellers are still of the opinion (as is still the case with some people) that the more lighting you have the better.

I think we in the UK (as with some people in the US) are starting to veer towards the understanding that with the advances in lamp efficiency that this is no longer the case.

True with T8 and less you would still want around the 1WPG mark on your average 30G but with the advances made into T5 and PC lights less can mean equal if you understand what I mean.

With lighting the general WPG rules is base around your average 20-40USG tank. Smaller tanks need more WPG to get the same results whereas larger tanks need less WPG to achieve the same. Confused? Join the club of millions. All of us are left guessing really and seeing what works for our own setups.

I would think that with 1WPG over a 10USG you are going to be on a par with 1WPG over 20-40USG :blink: :crazy:

Therefore you should really look for low light plants. This link could help you a little on you plant choices but this tank although being 1WPG does have nutrients added and CO2 injection. It does show what can be achieved with low lighting:

LINK to 1WPG Tank

You can see here low light plants that are visibly working under very low light. With you not having CO2 or fertilisation and relying on fish waste your plants can look the same but will need much more patience as the growth will be much slower (This can be a good thing as it means less pruning etc.)

Good plants as you can see from the link are Anubias, Ferns, Cryptocryne, Mosses.

For the first few months because of the slow growth I would buy some fast growing 'weeds'. They may not gro too fast under .5WPG and some may not grow at all but they are relatively cheap or free if you know someone. These will help you through in the first few months while the slow growers get a foothold in the tank.

Egeria/Elodea Densa
Cabomba
Ludwigia Species
Hygrophylia Species

As you have very low light they may also get 'leggy' in that because they have to search for the light there will be much larger gaps between the leaves. Dont worry about this as they are your make weight until your other plants develop.

You may wish to try other plants as well because what works for one person fails for another and vice versa. There are no rules to this hobby and someone who has extraordinary success with a difficult plant can fail disastorously with a relatively easy plant. As a general rule steer clear of red plants in your tank as they generally want higher light. You should really look for the darker greens, purples, browns etc. If in doubt research the plant before you buy as this saves money.

Plant guides:
www.tropica.com
www.plantgeek.net
www.dennerle.com

Hope all goes well, Good luck

Andy
 
Andy; Thank you for taking the time to write out that reply; I really appreciate it :)

I understand, now, what you've explained about lighting. I've got one last question, if you don't mind. Would changing the bulb to one of a higher spectrum be of any help, or would it be too negligible a difference to bother?

Thanks again!

Best,
Chris
 
I think I wrote on another post yesterday this same answer.

Some experts say Spectrum is of no consequence. Total wattage matters!!

Other experts insist Spectrum is key to plant growth (i.e. Pink lights)

I mix a daylight (9000-11000K) with a pink light (5000-7500K) so I have wattage and spectrum covered (I am no expert so I play safe)

I feel that this also balances out the human eye's interpretation of the light better too (makes the colour of the light look better to our eyes) rather than have 2 daylights (make the tank look greenish) or 2 pink lights (makes the tank look pinkish) The mix brings it back to a more 'natural' look

LINK FOR INTEREST WITH LIGHT DIFFERENCES (PHOTOS)

Andy
 
When you say no probs getting a new bulb, do you mean starter/ballast unit too? If you just get another bulb you will still only have 15W.

With 1.5WPG over a 10 Gallon I think it would be a little pointless injecting CO2 or indeed adding a nutritious substrate as there would be not enough light to drive the plants intake upward. They should be OK with fish waste etc.

Andy

Interestingly enough I've just been talking to Tom Barr regarding light and he recommended 15w or 2 x 15 saying that either would grow pretty much anything, worth looking into I'm sure?
Unfortunately my 10 gallon is too small for 2x15w otherwise id run it but its worth looking into no doubt.
 
Didn't state, I have to assume t8 as he said "ordinary" and as far as i know t5 isnt available in 18" 15w format
 
T5 and PC are ordinary in the US. If you look at their shops on the net its a struggle to get T8 units anymore (see posts above)

They seem to have mainly PC units and some HO T5 (they call VHO=very high output)

Saying this Tom knows most of us in the UK use T8 so he would probshave allowed for this.

Let us know what he say. It may change the way we think of the larger Nanos lighting requirements. etc.

ANDY
 
Will do, Interstingly I suggested 2x 24w for my 10 and he said go for 15w we'll see, I'm interested as for me 10 gal is the perfect size.
 
I did the same when I planted my tank and just put my fish in a spare aquarium for a second changed everything out and back in they went.
 

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