Planning A 40 Gallon Breeder

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Instead of starting multiple posts all over the forum I've decided to do it all here. If that isn't acceptable just move it.

I have been thinking about a larger tank and thinking of all the things I would want for it. I had a idea of what I wanted size wise and went so far as to completely rearrange the room that the tank would be going in to try and get a feel if the location would be right. Here is a pick of the area that I had planned for it.

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There is a nice empty spot right under the mirror. I made a cut out of the tanks size and just layed it on the floor to see how it would fit in the space.

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Well after a few days I could already tell that it wasn't going to work. It was in the way of the dresser and also the desk. As you can tell this is a pretty small room but if I get a bigger tank this is where it has to go. After a couple days I think I may have it figured out, so everything gets moved back like it was before.

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The tank will go where I had planned it above but the dresser will be leaving. The clothes will be relocated to storage cabinets I'll either buy or build in the closet. The 10 gal and 5 gal will be stacked and moved to a small partial wall beside the closet.

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Excuse the bucket it has my driftwood soaking in. That wall is just big enough. I looked at a double 10 gallon steel stand today while I was at the LFS but they wanted $40 for it. I think I have enough scrap steel to make one. So I'll be designing and building one. I have several pets and small children here so I'll have to design a way to anchor it to the wall.

Well now that I have a place to put it let's figure out the rest of it. The tank itself is only $90 and is 36"x18"x16". I do not like the stands that they carry so I'll be building my own. The plan is for a mixture of sand and natural colored gravel with two or three different "areas" of rock and wood. I would like some real plants as cover for the fish but want plants that are simple to care for. As far as fish go I've almost made up my mind to go with a couple large shoals of tetras, black widows and something else and some cories.

The hood at the LFS was a glass hood topped with a Aqueon light with 1 - 24" single tube. Would this be enough for what I've described above?

Filters. From what I've read so far the two most talked about (in the US anyway) is Rena & Eheim. Also it seems that a 40 gallon is just right about where the filters break for the sizes. The Rena XP1 is rated for up to 45 gallon and the XP2's is 75. Same with Eheim Pro, the 2222 is 40 and the 2224 is 66. I'm assuming that it would be better to go for the next size up, correct? And while we're on filters I guess most larger tanks are using external canister filters?, Why, are they that must better?

I'll be continuing to do research on putting this thing together but feel free to throw out suggestions on anything from fish, favorite heaters, plants, filters, rock or anything else that may help and keep my from doing what I've had to on my last two tanks, do them over.

I've already made my first purchase for the new tank. While at the LFS today I found the most awesome piece of Malaysian wood. It's 12"x5"x6" and will be perfect.

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If the dresser is leaving would you have room for a 55 it really don't cost much more then a 40 at all?
 
I want to try and keep it from sticking in front of the window and a 36" tank will be perfect. I've even looked at a 65 that was only 36" but decided that the 40 breeder will work out best for me.
 
anybody?

I could really use some suggestions on filters and lighting.
 
the filter really depends on the fish,If you,for example,decided to have a goldfish comunity then you would need a very large external filter,but if you decide to do a comunity you could go for a small external filter like the rena xp1(I would get a cheaper fluval one from Ebay) there's to much stock to put in a 40 gallon,to name all of them would be wasting time :rolleyes: tell us what tye of tank you want and we'll tell you what stock you can have in it,to name a few: normal community,arican cichlid (not many options here),semi-aggresive community,fully aggresive speices tank,marine,brackish,biotype or maybe even millions of shrimp :lol:



good luck :good:


chris :hyper:
 
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As far as fish go I've almost made up my mind to go with a couple large shoals of tetras, black widows and something else and some cories.
 
Are you looking for external, HOB, or internal filtration?

For an external I would use a Fluval 305 or equivalent.
Internal I would go for a Fluval 4 plus or equivalent.
For a HOB I would go for an Aquaclear 70.
 
:lol: sorry about that.The large shoals could be serpae tetras,they are little beautys,or you could have a shoal of gold barbs,they are smallish and very distiguishing.that something should be a center eice fish,some sort of gourami or a pair of angel fish.Have you thought about ottos?,you could have some of them in your tank
 
Are you looking for external, HOB, or internal filtration?

I'm not really sure. Since I'm new to the hobby the only thing I have any experience with is a HOB. I've read that the external would probably be the quietest, which is good since the tank will be in my bedroom, and aren't they suppose to be better?

As far as the fish go one minute I think I have it all figured out and then the next I start doubting. I like the idea of a couple large shoals but then again there are several types I would like to have (mostly tetras).

Thanks for the replies.
 
I think externals are a lot better than internals,not sure though,what speicies do you like?,if they arn't huge then you could probably get a few shoals of different fish
 
I currently have neons and embers in a 10 gallon that I could move into the larger tank or leave where they are. I'm also fond of lemon, black widow & pristella tetras, with my favorite being the black widows.
 
If you are worried about noise, an external would probably be best. Depending on which one you get, they can be better than HOB or internal filters. There are usually options as to what media you put in them making them one of the best filters for biological filtration. Just make sure you read the instructions, they aren't as straightforward as internals or HOB can be.
 
Since the tank is going to be about 6" from the bed, yes noise is going to be a factor. :lol:
 
Are you looking for external, HOB, or internal filtration?

For an external I would use a Fluval 305 or equivalent.
Internal I would go for a Fluval 4 plus or equivalent.
For a HOB I would go for an Aquaclear 70.

Since you seem to like Fluval what made you pick them over the other brands?
 
I've had the internal Fluval filters in the past and they have always been reliable and silent. Admittedly, I've never had a Fluval canister, but I've seen them recommended here on TFF, and they are not as expensive as some of the other brands.

The first thing I noticed during the assembly process is that with the Fluval 305 Canister Filter there is exactly three times or 300% more filtration than my conventional filter. The second thing I noticed was that it is perfectly quiet. After two weeks, my tank is crystal clear. The assembly/installation was very easy and explained very well. I think that if you're serious about this hobby then it is the best way to go.

I have to say what an amazing filter, absolutely fantastic, so quiet, and efficient! And your price is cheaper than I can get it on Ebay!
Your service and communication is amazing as well, order one day get it the next and I am in Sydney, I was kept informed all the way.
Thank you 10/10 all round.

Installation and Operation: The filter itself has 3 stages. first stage is more along the lines of bio-balls but called bio cylinders. The second stage is a carbon pouch and some more bio cylinders. The third is 2 carbon pouches. Extremely easy to install. It requires you to pump it a bit to create the siphon and you are off from there. Super easy to maintain I clean mine 1 time every two months. Depending on if i had to treat the tank for ich. The insturctions manual is the way to go.


Performance vs. Expectations: The product was exactly up to my expectations: clean water, a lot of flow, perfect for a hexagon tank.


Liked about it: This product gives a lot of flow, which is perfect for a hexagon tank. Extremely clear water. NO SOUND! Actually getting another one for my bigger tank.


Didn't like: There is nothing I don't like about this filter it is perfect.
 

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