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So for weeks/months my ph has been around 7.2. Why is it now 6.6?

My ammonia is 0.5 so I'm doing a water change. I have added more plants to the aquarium as well. I must admit I dont know what affects ph but I know keeping ph steady is important
 
How long has the tank been set up? Are you adding anything into the tank?
 
It's been running for 2 months. I planted some new plants yesterday so I disturbed the substrate. It was cloudy yesterday but today its fine the cloudyness has gone. My filter is a fluval u3. I dont understand how it's usually 7.2 but now its 6.6?
 
What substrate do you use? Have you added anything to the trank recently like driftwood?
How often do you change water and how much do you take out?
Your tank is still very new. It's possible that it hasn't established itself to stable levels.
 
Did we not discuss this in another of your threads? Might be thinking of someone else. Anyway, the answer is the same.

In order to assess pH issues you must know the GH and KH (and pH) of your source water, presumably tap water. These are connected. Never attemtp to adjust the pH without dealing with the GH/KH (if needed).

Once you/we know the tap water GH, KH and pH we will know exactly what the pH will do to stabilize.
 
Very fine gravel substrate. The plants are healthy and growing. I got driftwood to put in but it wouldn't sink so I'm soaking it for a good few weeks. Recently I've been doing big changes. Like 40% to cope with the ammonia. Could it be possible because I was running two filters side by side that the tank has only just started cycling with adding new fish?

Is 6.6 an ok ph reading? I tested tap water today and its 6.8
 
The ph from the tap is 6.8. One of the hardnesses is 6°d. I dont know which one think its general. Carbon is 10°d
 
The ph from the tap is 6.8. One of the hardnesses is 6°d. I dont know which one think its general. Carbon is 10°d

When testing tap water for pH you must ensure any dissolved CO2 is out-gassed. Letting a glass of tap water sit 24 hours is one way; another is to very briskly agitate a small amount of fresh tap water for several moments and then test.

I should be able to put all this together.
 
I tested my fish tank 24 hours after doing a water change. It was 6.6. I have my filter output agitating the top of the tank as to maximise oxygen for the fish.

So I'm guessing after 24 hours the tap water should test 7.0? Is 6.6 a bad ph or is it ok. My nitrates and nitrates are still 0

I dont know why I'm having so much trouble with this tank. My smaller one was easy. Just kept doing water changes to eliminate ammonia then nitrite. Its like after 2 months this tank hasnt even started to cycle yet
 
6.6 if fine for your fish. My pH is well below 6 (so is @Byron's).
The only way to know what's in your tap is to test it. One of the reasons for waiting 24 hours is that many water suppliers add something to temporarily raise the pH if your water is acidic. They do this to stop the pipes corroding.
 
So for weeks/months my ph has been around 7.2. Why is it now 6.6?

My ammonia is 0.5 so I'm doing a water change. I have added more plants to the aquarium as well. I must admit I dont know what affects ph but I know keeping ph steady is important
Your water supply company might have changed their water supply. In Western Australia we used to get dam water all year and the pH was always 7.0. When the rain stopped we started getting ground water during the warm weather and it had a pH around 5.0.

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Anything that breaks down in water can reduce the pH. If there is lots of minerals in the water, the pH will remain more stable.

If your pH is dropping, then you can add some limestone, dead coral rubble, or shells to the tank or filter and these will help neutralise the acids in the water. You can also add Rift lake salts, which will increase the GH, KH and pH of the water. However, if depends on what fish you keep. If you keep soft water fishes like neon tetras, then don't raise the GH or pH. If you want to keep guppies then increase the GH and pH.
 
First, testing tap water and tank water for pH is different. Tank water can be tested anytime and you will get the pH at that moment in time. Tap water may contain dissolved CO2 which will add carbonic acid to the water and lower the pH; this can be temporary, depending upon the initial GH and KH and the level of dissolved CO2. As the CO2 dissipates out, the pH returns to the balance it has with GH and KH.

Second, there is a normal diurnal variation in pH in natural waters and in the aquarium. The pH will always be at its lowest in the early morning, meaning after the night darkness period and just before daylight. And at the end of the daylight it will be at its highest. Again due to the CO2. Planted tanks really show this because during daylight plants use the CO2 so the pH slowly rises, while during darkness the CO2 rebuilds and the pH slowly drops. Fish are OK with this usually, because it is gradual (over 24 hours) and minimal. Very heavily planted tanks with diffused CO2 though can be significant in this CO2 fluctuation but we are not dealing with that here. So when testing the tank water pH, if you want an accurate measure of what the pH is over a period opf time like days and weeks, always test it at the same time of day; otherwise the diurnal variation will be impacting it, which could lead you to think this or that is occurring when actually it is not.

This leads to the third aspect. As organics increase in any aquarium, the decomposition of these produces ammonia and CO2. The respiration of fish, plants and some bacteria species also produces CO2. Live plants will easily take both up, and nitrifying bacteria will take up ammonia (depending upon plant load, as plants are faster at this). The CO2 builds over time, and again this produces carbonic acid so the pH lowers. But here is where the GH and KH also factor in. The higher the GH and KH, the more they buffer the pH to prevent fluctuations. At this stage other factors also impact the pH, things like additional organics from wood, leaves, peat, etc, which also tend to lower the pH; or the opposite, calcareous substances that dissolve into the water to increase the GH, KH and proportionally the pH. All of this is natural, but it all works according to the natural laws of chemistry and biology.

So, depending upon the initial pH, and depending upon the GH and KH of the source water, the pH may or may not be affected. If the GH/KH are low, as seems to be the case here, the pH will more easily lower naturally. The effect of the organics, etc will also be stronger. But note, this is natural and gradual and will result in a very stable biological system. It is when we start to meddle that trouble enters the picture.

The obvious response to the above is to select fish that will thrive in the water. Fortunately, most soft water species also prefer acidic pH, and the reverse is also true. Some exceptions, but we needn't get into that. And letting the pH do what it will (because of all of the natural chemistry and biology which you cannot control anyway without complicated processes) is far safer.

Some aquarists think they need to start adding this and that to somehow mess with this. Wrong. This will inevitably result in a fluctuating pH and this is harmful to all fish. A stable pH even if it is not exactly in the range for the species will generally be safer. Adding so-called pH adjusters is dangerous because there is a natural chemistry in all water, and as soon as we target one aspect of that it sets off a chain reaction, and that can in many cases cause further reactions, and all sorts of problems. And fish cannot function well in any of this. And, the more of these chemicals we add, the more likely we will reach the popint when the natural buffering is incapable of functioning and the pH crashes, killing fish.

This is probably why the tap water pH is (supposedly) 7.2 and in the aquarium it will be in the 6's. The water authority might add somethingh like soda ash to increase the pH; this generally is temporary.
 
6.8 is slightly acidic isn't it. So should my ph roughly stay at 6.6 with regular water changes? When I add the driftwood will it lower the ph?
 
6.8 is slightly acidic isn't it. So should my ph roughly stay at 6.6 with regular water changes? When I add the driftwood will it lower the ph?

My last post explains all this.
 

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