OMG!!! now it's $15 for a discus!! HEALTH

[David]

Or you could follow accepted advise and set up a discus tank where the discus are the priority and there is a shoal of them so a pecking order can be safely established, and the natural behaviors of the discus observed. As opposed to just doing whatever you want with no regard for what is best for the fish, and thinking that because it survived such treatment for a month that you should advise others to do the same.

Hmmm. I don't see many discus in your tank, but anyway. I don't think someone who has no experience with the fish at hand or does not completely know the circumstances at the time has the right to pass judgement about someone else's actions. JMHO.

 

[luxum]

That's because i don't try to keep fish in wholly inappropriate conditions. Given the wide amount of information on discus, it seems highly unlikely one can be kept well long term in conditions such as you espouse. It's one thing to decide to blatantly disregard established wisdom about the species in your own tank as you experiment, it's another to advise other people to do the same when you haven't been keeping the species in these conditions long enough to know there are no long term consequences. IMHO

 

[David]

That's because i don't try to keep fish in wholly inappropriate conditions. Given the wide amount of information on discus, it seems highly unlikely one can be kept well long term in conditions such as you espouse. It's one thing to decide to blatantly disregard established wisdom about the species in your own tank as you experiment, it's another to advise other people to do the same when you haven't been keeping the species in these conditions long enough to know there are no long term consequences. IMHO

Firstly you are blowing things totally out of proportion. I am certainly not keeping my fish in "wholly inappropriate conditions". If I didn't really have the discus' best interest at heart, would I keep my temp at a constant of 82 and above, which is above the beneficial range for any of my other fish? Would I have tried to keep more than one? Obviously not. I have done everything I can to try to keep this fish happy, from raising my temp to buying it a friend (which killed it, so that's not happening again for a while) to going out and buying special discus formula for it because I wasn't sure if its diet was rich enough in nutrients. Please, don't judge someone or make ridiculous accusations about "keeping fish in wholly inappropriate conditions" (my tank is definitely big enough, the tankmates are appropriate, the temperature is fine, the water is very clean, I have an efficient filtration system and I make sure it gets enough to eat and the right type of food), or of "blatantly disregarding established wisdom". If I had done evrything you accused me of, believe me - I would no longer have a discus happily swimming around in my tank.

 

[luxum]

Keeping a single discus is in and of itself blatantly disregarding established wisdom about the species. I can keep a single tetra alive for years, but it is indeed wholly inappropriate to keep one by itself, because it is a schooling fish and it needs the company of it's own kind. Same thing with discus, they are not solitary creatures and it is goes against established advice to keep them that way. If i was to start advising people to just keep a single tetra, it would be wrong. Can it be done? Sure. The question is, ~should~ it be done.

 

[Aquascaper]

Luxum, you have my vote

There seems to be an increasing number of people who ask for advice then ignore it totally and do what they want to do anyway.
One post it's "I was thinking of doing this............." The replies come in stating that it would not be in the best interests of the fish and the next post is "Hey, guess what i've gone and done .............."

I'm not talking about 2 or 3 people having different opinions, in those cases you use your own judgement, it's the ones where nearly every reply is negative and the person goes ahead anyway that baffles me completely.

This is not aimed at any person/people in particular, just a general statement about regarding my opinion on what I would term 'pointless' posts.

The information I posted earlier in this thread about the Angels, Gouramis and Clown loaches not being compatible came from one of the south-wests biggest Discus breeders so I passed it on hoping it would help. I personally have kept (and will do again) Clown loaches with Discus but I still wouldn't recommend doing it to someone else. The fact that people have kept combinations of these fish with Discus is great, they shared their experience but that is what it is, their experience. That doesn't mean that it will work for everyone as no two tanks are identical and therefore results will differ.

Finally:
My apologies to clutterydrawer about the 'family' comment, I was getting confused about a conversation I had at my LFS (and it was 11.40pm )

Sorry to hi-jack.

 

[elgecko]

Like it was said on here already, it is best to keep 4-6 discus together, unless you have a breeding pair, which then the 2 can be housed together.
I would strongly suggest that the pair have no other fish in the tank. I have 5 - 4 1/2" - 5" discus and when the pair I have breeds, they can get rather nasty to the other discus in the tank. I'm setting up a 29 gallon tank just for the breeding pair.

 

[canarsie11]

David didnt your first discus have ick and hazy eye?

So why are you trying to frame your new discus for the death, truthfully you do not know what that discus died from.

But surely it was not murder!

Also raising the temp for discusis good thing, but at the expense of your other fish is not a good idea.

IMO you have not had a very successful campaign with discuss, so I would not advise people. However, if your going to advice people (which is your right) Just tell people everything, you like to leave out info alot.

Your first suffered from 2 diseases in less than a month, then you add new discuss then blame for death.

Iam not trying to start anything, but when you give info or advice, tell people everything, cause most people dont read all post or remember past posts, but I do, so I remember what you have posted previously!

 

[Doggfather]

Does anybody mind if i get back to the original topic?

Did you end up getting any fish kevin? or did you decide to pass on it? $15 canadian sounds like a great price . Any idea why they were so cheap?

Dogg

 

[David]

David didnt your first discus have ick and hazy eye?

So why are you trying to frame your new discus for the death, truthfully you do not know what that discus died from.

But surely it was not murder!

Also raising the temp for discusis good thing, but at the expense of your other fish is not a good idea.

IMO you have not had a very successful campaign with discuss, so I would not advise people. However, if your going to advice people (which is your right) Just tell people everything, you like to leave out info alot.

Your first suffered from 2 diseases in less than a month, then you add new discuss then blame for death.

Iam not trying to start anything, but when you give info or advice, tell people everything, cause most people dont read all post or remember past posts, but I do, so I remember what you have posted previously!

You're right canarsie11. It did have ick and hazy eye, but it no longer had those diseases when the new one was introduced, so they cannot possibly be the cause for death. When I added the new discus my old one began to show the "stress bars" which I mistakenly assumed that meant it was happy to have the company (usually bright colours = happy fish). However I later noticed that it was definitely the submissive fish and that the new dominant one had taken its favorite place beneath the big anubias plant, and often gave chase when it came near. The stress bars did not go away until time of death 1-2 days later, and the only other symptom I saw was clear/whitish but very thick as opposed to stringy poop, which I can only assume is another stress-related thing. (Probably not internal parasites or the other one would have got it too). All I'm saying is that i have unsuccessfully tried to keep more than one discus together, and it is now too late to backtrack. I am not about to try it again for fear that this one will kill any others I place in the tank.

 

[Sean_Buckley]

Canarsie, why don't you bug off and leave David alone, or keep this fight confined to private messages, instead of spamming all the boards that David posts in, ragging on him. Geez!
Sean

 

[canarsie11]

Canarsie, why don't you bug off and leave David alone, or keep this fight confined to private messages, instead of spamming all the boards that David posts in, ragging on him. Geez!
Sean

Why dont you bug off! I am not fighting anyone?

I dont understand how you are so sensitive for someone else. David did not take it as fighting, I stated some facts, that he agreed with and I was stating my opinion, IMO.

Actually my post was full of relevant information (UNLIKE YOURS), and David took no offense.

Actually, your the only one spamming this time cause yours is the only post at this moment, on this topic, with no relavent information in thier post, about this topic.

So maybe you should have used PM yourself with this post.

So in your words "Geez"

 

[kevin007]

Does anybody mind if i get back to the original topic?

Did you end up getting any fish kevin? or did you decide to pass on it? $15 canadian sounds like a great price . Any idea why they were so cheap?

Dogg

yea, i brought 2, only because i wanna see if i have what it takes to keep them alive, if i do, then i will get more and get rid of the zebra danios to a friend

they were so cheap because i knew the owner and i brought 2 so the price came down to $13ea

and i did listen to you advice saying that 1 was a bad idea so i increased the amount to 2

 

[David]

Good luck with them. I can only hope that the new ones won't attack the old ones or vice versa when you get them, like they did for me. I used to think discus were very very peaceful, but my experiences with them have undermined that theory...