New Tank

[liam&stacey]

hi all,

just got my first tank in a long time, its 48in X 12in X 12in, about 95L i think.

will be starting my fishless cycle on monday (waiting for my filter to arive, its a fluval 405).

the fish i want, well the missis want lol, a pair of angel fish. what else wud you guys sugest? the tank has sand substraigh.

i apolgize for my bad spellin, its never been my strong point lol.

cheers liam

 

[atc223]

I am not qualified to answer your question but welcome!

 

[erk628]

hi all,

just got my first tank in a long time, its 48in X 12in X 12in, about 95L i think.

will be starting my fishless cycle on monday (waiting for my filter to arive, its a fluval 405).

the fish i want, well the missis want lol, a pair of angel fish. what else wud you guys sugest? the tank has sand substraigh.

i apolgize for my bad spellin, its never been my strong point lol.

cheers liam

If your still waiting on your filter to arrive then starting the fishless cycle is pointless. You not cycling you tank your cycling the filter

 

[liam&stacey]

"If your still waiting on your filter to arrive then starting the fishless cycle is pointless. You not cycling you tank your cycling the filter"



why not? what wud u do?

 

[waterdrop]

Well you've got a lot of good things going for you: a nice long tank with good volume and nice sand and a nice large external cannister filter - all those things will be good.

Unfortunately you've got a major problem right off however: Angels need at least 17 inches of *height* in a tank. Its really a pretty important dimension for them as eventually they get quite tall. One suggestion, since your wife will no doubt be upset, is that there are any number of smaller cichlids that have actually much more personality than angels, despite not having the majestic shape. I'm not an expert on these smaller cichlids but we've got several members who are, so I hope they'll speak up and give you some good suggestions!

Since fishless cycles can take around two months, you'll have plenty of time to work on this problem and other stocking questions.

~~waterdrop~~

 

[erk628]

Almost all of your bacteria is in your filter. Now with your situation with no filter that means no water current. So the bacteria would prob start growing on the sand and glass. Once you do put your filter in and the water current starts the bacteria would be swept into the filter so I guess your fine. Sorry I should have thought about it more before responding never seen this situation before. So doing what your doing should give you a jump start so keeping doing what your doing

 

[liam&stacey]

Almost all of your bacteria is in your filter. Now with your situation with no filter that means no water current. So the bacteria would prob start growing on the sand and glass. Once you do put your filter in and the water current starts the bacteria would be swept into the filter so I guess your fine. Sorry I should have thought about it more before responding never seen this situation before. So doing what your doing should give you a jump start so keeping doing what your doing

ah, think we hav both missunderstood each other here, im stratin the cycle on monday as that is when my filter is arriving lol.

 

[liam&stacey]

waterdrop, how long wud i be able to keep angels in my tank befor ungrading the size? may be able to get my old tank off my mate once he upgrades again, its a 48in x 18in x 18in. he has a aligator snappin turtle in it and needs to upgrade every couple of years. i think hes onto his third uprade at the min lol.

 

[waterdrop]

I really don't know how fast it would be, you could try in the cichlid forum. Or there's an angelfish society out there. Our usual recommendation is not to be tempted because if the change-up somehow goes wrong, its more painful to have to give up the fish entirely. Maybe arobinson will happen along, he's good on sizing.

~~waterdrop~~

 

[erk628]

Just read ur first post again and I guess I missed the "will be starting" guess I need to read slower or read multiple times before posting

 

[OldMan47]

You might be able to keep them for a year before they would actually need the added height. As WD said, we usually don't suggest hoping for the right tank in the future because sometimes it does not work out and then you have a bad situation on your hands.

 

[Munerz]

hi all,

just got my first tank in a long time, its 48in X 12in X 12in, about 95L i think.

will be starting my fishless cycle on monday (waiting for my filter to arive, its a fluval 405).

the fish i want, well the missis want lol, a pair of angel fish. what else wud you guys sugest? the tank has sand substraigh.

i apolgize for my bad spellin, its never been my strong point lol.

cheers liam

hey, im new to this site 2, the angels are great fish they get along with all the fish i have
just make sure u have a big enough tank coz they get to a desent size
and even tho they are cichlids they dont seem to get along with other types of cichlids
(could just be my fish but thats my understanding)
if u get some corys or types like that they are great n get on with pretty much enything
i have 5 clown loachs n they are probly the best fish i have they are fairly active n look great when swimming in groups
but remember ph levels are a big deal 2, my gf just killed a fish coz it couldnt handle high ph levels like her other ones.

 

[arobinson1984]

I really don't know how fast it would be, you could try in the cichlid forum. Or there's an angelfish society out there. Our usual recommendation is not to be tempted because if the change-up somehow goes wrong, its more painful to have to give up the fish entirely. Maybe arobinson will happen along, he's good on sizing.

~~waterdrop~~

Thanks WD *gets out the ruler*

Agreee with waterdrop and oldman, we dont usually ever recommend putting fish into a tank that isnt big enough even with all the intentions of upgrading. If anything should happen which means you dont finally upgrade then the fish gets stuck in an inadequate tank.

As oldman said, with angels you're probably looking at around a year before it would definatelty require a taller tank, failure to do this would end up stunting the fishes growth. I'm not sure if you've heard the old myth 'fish only grow to the aize of the tank they are in' but that isn't 'strictly' true. Yes a fish will become stunted and its body will stop growing, the problem is that the fishes internal organs do not stop growing and end up outgrowing the body resulting in the fish growing deformed and experiencing a slow painful death, hence the reason we always recommend putting a fish in a tank that is big enough for the fishes entire life. The problem with stunting is that its very hard to tell at what point the fishes growth begins to become stunted so you could keep the angel in that tank for a year but then find the damage has already been done.

A well looked after angelfish should be expected the reach normally between 7-9" in height, they are a fairly lazy inactive fish but due to their height, they require space to move up and down. The height of the tank is much more important than the length of the tank for angelfish. As WD mentioned, the minimum for a fully grown angelfish would be 17/18" of water, this is not including gravel/sand etc although ideally angels should be in 2ft high tanks.

Andy

 

[liam&stacey]

ok, looks like angel fish are out then.

ok, how about some corydoras? how many wud u sugesst?
plec, wot type of plec wud look nice and not get too big for the tank?
i also like black widow tetras & ruby sharks.

wud quite like a busy tank,fish very active, not "full of fish".

tank is now set up and into its 3rd day of its fishless cycle, will put some pix up later on tonight.

liam

 

[erk628]

I really don't know how fast it would be, you could try in the cichlid forum. Or there's an angelfish society out there. Our usual recommendation is not to be tempted because if the change-up somehow goes wrong, its more painful to have to give up the fish entirely. Maybe arobinson will happen along, he's good on sizing.

~~waterdrop~~

Thanks WD *gets out the ruler*

Agreee with waterdrop and oldman, we dont usually ever recommend putting fish into a tank that isnt big enough even with all the intentions of upgrading. If anything should happen which means you dont finally upgrade then the fish gets stuck in an inadequate tank.

As oldman said, with angels you're probably looking at around a year before it would definatelty require a taller tank, failure to do this would end up stunting the fishes growth. I'm not sure if you've heard the old myth 'fish only grow to the aize of the tank they are in' but that isn't 'strictly' true. Yes a fish will become stunted and its body will stop growing, the problem is that the fishes internal organs do not stop growing and end up outgrowing the body resulting in the fish growing deformed and experiencing a slow painful death, hence the reason we always recommend putting a fish in a tank that is big enough for the fishes entire life. The problem with stunting is that its very hard to tell at what point the fishes growth begins to become stunted so you could keep the angel in that tank for a year but then find the damage has already been done.

A well looked after angelfish should be expected the reach normally between 7-9" in height, they are a fairly lazy inactive fish but due to their height, they require space to move up and down. The height of the tank is much more important than the length of the tank for angelfish. As WD mentioned, the minimum for a fully grown angelfish would be 17/18" of water, this is not including gravel/sand etc although ideally angels should be in 2ft high tanks.

Andy

Andy about the fish organs continuing to grow after the fishes growth has been stunted do you have proof of this like maybe a link to a study done or something like that. Don't take this the wrong way I believe you and I believe you know your stuff trust me you've earned my respect. I was just interested in reading a study or something and see what they did to find this out etc.

Thanks
Eric