New Tank Today

roo and nick

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hi all,

well our new tank arrives today, new to keeping tropical fish but roo has kept them before,

we are getting the roma 240 from pets at home, pricey but looks worth it,

anyone ever had this set up?

any advice welcome


regards

nickandroo
 
Welcome to the forum :) , I haven't had that setup but im interested to hear what fish you are going to buy? :)
 
Hey there Roo & Nick,

If you're new and roo is returning the hobby I suggest you should head over to the resource section for tropical fish on this forum.

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/277264-beginners-resource-center/

My experience with following advice from Pets at home was not too fantastic and it went downhill, always do some research before making a decision! The only thing I buy from pets at home now is equipment and food. The fish are usually a bit poor stock and white spot is very common. Even then I usually buy of eBay now instead!

Make sure you're fully aware of the Nitrogen cycle and make a decision on what you want to do, fish in or fish-less.

Fish in = Can make fish ill/death but you have fish and you need to do lots of water changes.

Fish-less = No fish until your filter is ready though your tank won't have any fish in and will be quite boring. You use ammonia to mimic the fishes waste.

I unsuccessfully attempted the fish-in without any prior knowledge it failed, took the fish-less an now I have some very happy fish.

I would advise ignoring Pets @ Home's typical advice of
"You need to wait 1 week before you can buy any fish" because realistically nothing will happen in a week all you are doing is putting water in a bowl and then putting it to the side. Granted the heater might heat the water up but that's about all that will happen.

Some equipment I think can think of the top of my head you will need...

Net
Gravel Siphon
Water Conditioner
Some buckets!
Thermometer

I wish you the best of luck and look forward to seeing pictures of your tank set up!

Welcome to the forum also!
 
Welcome to TFF! Great intro by Joshua there! I agree, be sure to read our article on the Nitrogen Cycle, the Fishless Cycle and, even if you've formerly prepared a tank with "starter fish" consider the new process of Fishless Cycling. Even some of us "very old-timers" have realized the advantages of this and have changed our ways. Its really a lot of fun getting more into the chemistry that's going on than it was years ago. I think there's also a good startup article on all sorts of topics from my friend, Miss Wiggle there, and I recommend that.

One of the first things you'll want to do is analyze your filter and the media going in to it. You'd be surprised how many hobbyists "customize" their filter media. At any rate its nice to feel confident about it prior to starting to create the biofilter inside it.

Congrats on a great tank and we'll look forward to hearing from you.

~~waterdrop~~ :)
 
hi its Roo here

thanks all for your advice, tank was set up friday and i am using nutrafin cycle liquid as well as the one to remove chlorine..going to be a few days before we add any fish though as letting tank settle. will let you all know how things are going when fish are in. will also try and post pics here asap.
 
Hi welcome to the forum! I have the same tank as you :) But now I want to go bigger haha, I knew it would happen eventually :p.

With the cycle, the nutrfin stuff is useless as is all shop bought products that claim to have bacteria in them. Its just not the case, the bacteria that supports the tank needs flowing water and high levels of oxygen along with a source of ammonia and nitrite to survive. If the bacteria does not have these factors then the colony dies off at about 10% per 24 hours (as it would in a filter). One way this could be prevented would be if the bacteria was controlled from source to the shop and again from the shop to your tank ie how its kept in the shop so this means it would have to be chilled to keep the bacteria alive but dormant but since most of the products like this are just on the shelf in all kinds of temperatures all year round and often stood there for months at a time there is just no way they are of any use in getting your filter started.

Now in a very cynical look at the fish keeping trade I would say that the reason they sell these magic potions is to give a placebo effect to new fishkeepers that they have cycled a tank ready for fish safe to go in and then the fish are added and then the actual cycle that happens in all water starts and the fish die, then that process continues for the next 2 months (the actual length of a cycle) until the tank stables out at last all the original fish are dead and they have sold you 3 or 4 lots of fish of which some will survive the cycle but then some of them will be sick or have a parasite as a result of the levels of toxic chemicals that occur during the cycling process and again they make money from you buying medicine etc.

So the way around this and what I really really urge you to do is to follow one of the cycling guides on this forum quite easy either way, one more time consuming but you get fish sooner the other very easy but you add fish a few weeks down the line.

So first way, fish in cycle. This is similar to what I was saying about the fish trade being cynical, but in a controlled manor. When any form of rotting organic material is present in water (dead plants, fish poo etc but mainly fish poo) a chemical called ammonia is produced which is very very toxic to fish and will easily kill most fish right out. From the ammonia source bacteria forms in the water on the river/lake bed and in rocks and on plants all over will by tiny bacteria and it feeds on the ammonia and turn it into nitrite in a similar way to how we turn oxygen to carbon dioxide when we breathe. Nitrite is still poisonous to fish but a little less so than ammonia however an additional type of bacteria grows to convert the nitrite into nitrate which is quite a harmless chemical in low doses and we remove this as fish keepers. So that said when you add fish to a tank and they start pooing there is no bacteria to deal with these chemicals so they build up and kill the fish but we can combat this by doing daily water changes around the 50% mark to keep the levels low enough to be safe for the fish but still feed the filter it will be a lengthy process over a number of weeks then eventually the bacteria colony will have grown sufficiently to deal with the ammonia and nitrite and the water changes will just go down to your regular routine of either weekly or two weekly which ever your most comfortable with but you get fish quicker than the next way.

The other way is called a fishless cycle, which uses pure house hold ammonia to bypass the fish poo in the cycle stage. Each day you add a small dose of ammonia just a few milliliters per day and then measure the results with your API water test kit and the process I talked about above will happen as well but it means that you can let the ammonia and nitrite levels rise up and drop without worrying about the fish dieing and is generally less stressful, much less water changes and zero risk of death or disease. This process takes about 4-5 weeks to do though which is the only downside to it really.

So that said its down to you on which way you want to do it. These are both processes that you will not be told in the shops because quite simply if someone told you that you need to change 120 liters per day in your tank for 5 weeks if you add fish now or wait 5 weeks while adding a few ml of ammonia to the tank and if you dont do either you will loose fish after fish for these 5 weeks then you would just walk away and think its just mad. So for simplicity and ease of sale they say to do the thing for 5 days and then people start getting their fish and they make the sale.

Take a while to read this through and have a read through the fishless cycle and fish in cycle guides in the beginners resource section and see which you decide to do.

Im not trying to put you off the hobby because it really is a fantastic hobby once you start to really learn about it and when you find all the fish you want. Its just a regular problem that the early stages of a tank are often the most important part and its when people have the least knowledge that its the problem.

Any ideas of the fish you want to have? :)

Hope its helped Wills
 
I found whilst doing a fish-less cycle it really gave me time to decide our stocking list. It allowed us to ensure the water and the hideouts/plants were ideal for our chosen fish.

Whereas when you do a fish-in cycle you tend to use hardy fish as usually the fish you want are too delicate! So you end up with some weird fish you only got to start off with.

As stated Nutrafin Cycle really doesn't help in the long run I've heard many stories about it having effect and when they've stopped using it the tank simply crashed. I don't know how legitimate those claims are though I can say from personal experience it did absolutely NOTHING for me.
 

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