New Tank - Aqua One Regency 120

Sorry to hear you were unwell, Schmill. Nothing too serious I hope?

The cycle seems to be progressing nicely. Having ammonia totally cleared and nitrite almost totally cleared in 12 hrs signals that you are almost there.

I think the bacteria are sulking about the water change, but should pick up again very soon. I wouldn't have recommended cleaning the filter during the cycle, but if it was clogged with silt from the substrate, I suppose it needed done.

At least you know you have both bacteria colonies established now. It's just a case of training them to work a bit faster now.

I've got a funny feeling you're going to be fully cycled very soon..........................

BTT :good:
 
Nothing to bad thanks BTT, just the local viral bug thats going round :(

29th November 2008 - Day 38 (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 10:00 - (+36:00hr since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
NitrIte: 0
Ammonia: 0


All results at zero, so will add whats left of the old bottle of ammonia

Added approx. 18ml of Ammonia, estimate that it will give just over 4ppm

Time: 12:20 - (+02:20hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.25
Ammonia: 2


Time: 18:40 - (+08:40hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.25
Ammonia: 0.5


Time: 22:40 - (+12:40hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.25
Ammonia: 0


Time: 23:00
Added approx. 12ml of Ammonia FROM NEW BOTTLE, estimate that it will give 4ppm

Time: 00:30 - (+01:30hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
Ammonia: 2 (?)


I'm a tad concerned that after adding what I thought should give me 4 ppm of ammonia, I am reading just 2ppm 1:30hours later. I had thought that my 'old' bottle of ammonia had reduced in strength, hence had previously been adding more ammonia, (seemingly a 7% solution). However now the new bottle seems to be behaving in the same way... I don't know if the bottles can 'age' on the shelf, but I do have 2 API ammonia test kits, (one stand-alone that I normally use, and one as part of the master kit), so tomorrow I shall use both kits to 'cross-check' each other. :unsure:
 
30th November 2008 - Day 39 (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 11:15 - (+12:15hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.1
Ammonia: 0 (standalone kit)
Ammonia: 0 (Master kit)


All looks good, both kits read 0ppm for ammonia, but thats not overly reassuring for a zero reading anyway. I'm in two minds whether to add some more ammonia now or not. It's not likely I'll be able to test again in 12 hours, but it would allow me to 'properly' check my test kits against each other. I think maybe I'll add some in a while, and then do the regular 12 hourly testing starting again tomorrow morning.
 
Time: 20:25
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
Added approx. 12ml of Ammonia FROM NEW BOTTLE, estimate that it will give 4ppm

Time: 21:20 - (+00:55hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.1
Ammonia: 2~4 (standalone kit)
Ammonia: 4~2 (Master kit)


Ok, so now I've tested with both kits again, this time on 'readable' levels, and to be fair they are pretty much spot on. As I've tried to indicate above if anything the 'standalone' kit reads around the 2 ~ 4 area, perhaps slightly closer to 2, whereas the 'Master Kit' reads around the same area, but perhaps slightly closer to 4.
The 'shades' of green on the API kits are very similar to my eye at the 2-4ppm area, and I couldn't honestly tell you and be 100% certain that it's one reading or the other, and my wife says the same.
All I can do I think is to know that I've bought a FRESH bottle of 9.5% ammonia, I've used the calculator, and I've done my own tests, and just ASSUME that each time I add my 12ml of solution I am taking the tank to 4ppm. :good:
 
1st December 2008 - Day 40 (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 08:25 - (+12:00hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
NitrIte: 0 :good:
Ammonia: 0 :good:


Excellent, finally hit zero in the 12 hours :), now to keep it going!
I just hope that this is 4-5ppm that is being processed, and not just a dodgy colour 2ppm...

Is it worth increasing the amount of ammonia I add each time just in case, or could this be what stalled everything the first time?


Time: 09:40
Added approx. 12ml of Ammonia FROM NEW BOTTLE. Believing that is 4ppm :unsure:

Time: 21:40 - (+12:00hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
NitrIte: 0 :good:
Ammonia: 0 :good:


Well back to zero again, I'm hoping this is good and not just a case of too little ammonia being added :unsure:

Time: 21:50
Added approx. 12ml of Ammonia FROM NEW BOTTLE. Believing that is 4ppm :unsure:
 
Hi Schmill,

Looking good hitting 0,0 in 12 hrs! I sense a cycled filter! :yahoo: :drink:

With regard to the ammonia, I would believe that an old bottle may have lost some potency through time so that could well be correct. After all, ammonia is a gas at room temperature and I believe it is quite unstable in water. You only need to stick your nose in the bottle to find out that some of the ammonia gas escapes the water (for anyone who doesn't know, i'm not really recommending sticking your nose in the bottle, it's pretty powerful stuff!!).

However, I would assume that a brand new bottle which is unopened should be roughly if not exactly the specified concentration, especially if you give it a good shake before opening it. Also, given that both your test kits show almost the same reading, I would tend to lean towards it probably being correct.

That being the case, your filter is cycled :beer: (but you should do a 'qualifying week' in case of any blips). I would say work out the amount of ammonia required and assume that it is 4ppm. You can roughly check it with your test kit.

I see you have changed to adding ammonia every 12 hours since hitting 0,0 in the 12 hr period. This isn't considered necessary, and adding ammonia every 24hrs as before is still fine. Just test after 12 hrs to make sure you have 0,0.

If you get 7 tests at 0,0 over the next 7 days, you can add fish.

Well done mate. Not long until you have some new fishy friends. :fish: :fish: :fish:

Any idea what you are going to stock the tank with?

Cheers :good:

BTT

P.S. Sorry, went a bit nuts with emoticons there :lol:
 
Hi BTT, thanks for your reply :)
To be honest I only switched to 12 hourly adding of ammonia because it was the weekend and I was wanting to keep an eye on the readings, as from today I shall be switching back to 24 hour additions, (but 12 hours tests).
I'd be happy with it being cycled if I wasn't now having issues with the tank itself :(
At the moment I have an issue with the condensation proof hood. The water does condensate on it, and it doesn't affect the hood, the problem is some of the water is finding it's way around the hood, and managing to slowly trickle down the outside of the tank. This is really concerning me as I don't want the cabinet below being affected. I'm currently in contact with Aqua One as they say that other than the hood the tank does not need a condensation cover, so I'm trying to get them to explain to me why then my tank is wet on the outside - lol
At the moment I can't even put my background on my tank, because of the little trickles of water that keep running down the outside back :(
Combining that with the fact that one of the reasons I bought this tank was because of the blurb on the website about T5 lighting, (which on a tall tank I think is quite important for a planted tank?), but recently after actually 'looking' at the hood I realise that I have the older T8 style. It's only recently that I found out the physical size differences of the T5's and T8's so realised :(
So YAY to being cycled, but NAY to being ready to put fish in it :(
After speaking to them a little yesterday it seems their website / sales blurb got updated with all the new stats, but they had only just started shipping the newer items, so a lot of stockists still had the 'older' items. My fault I guess for not knowing enough and thoroughly checking what I received against what I had seen on the Aqua One website, but still not happy about it, (especially the now dripping hood), so will wait to see what they say when they call me back.

As for the stocking, I will be moving my current stock from my 60L tank into the 300L and adding to it. So that will be:

4 Cardinal Tetras
1 Juv. Male Guppy
1 Female Guppy
7(?) Guppy Fry
2 Male Rainbow Praecox
1 Female Rainbow Praecox
2 Albino Corys
1 Bulldog Pleco

However as I don't yet have a quaratine tank, I'll probably put the new fish into the 300L tank first, and then move my existing fish over a month or so after that.
The new fish are basically just going to be 'additions' to my current stock, as I like a quantity of smaller fish, with perhaps a couple of larger ones, rather than just a few large fish.

The additional fish I want to get are:

+6 Cardinal Tetras - (10 total)
+3 Male Rainbow Praecox (5 total)
+4 Female Rainbow Praecox (5 total)
+4 Albino Corys (6 total)
+1 Bulldog Pleco (2 total)

Perhaps +2 BristleNose Pleco (2 total)

Then later either 2 or 4 Denison Barb's (Torpedo Barbs), as 'center piece' fish.

As for plants I've got loads of camboba(sp?) in my 60L tank so I'll be transfering some of that over as it seems to grow like mad, (well, certainly in the 60L tank).
I'm also thinking of some Java Fern and / or Amazon Sword as taller plants, and I need to find / decide on some low level carpet plants too. I had looked at Java moss for this, but everywhere I read about it seems to say it has a horrible habit of breaking free and getting everywhere, including into filter media etc.
My main issues with the plants is that I don't have a CO2 system, and ideally would like to not need one. As for lighting I think the lighting I have at the moment is 2 30W (or 35W) T8 tubes, but obviously I'll have to wait and see whether I can get this changed to a T5 twin tube system.

Suggestions always welcome :)

Thanks again :good:
 
hi schmill,

looks like your tank is coming along great....very patient :good:

in regards to java moss, i have a load of it, and it is true that it can break free, however i have attached mine to bogwood and slate with great success with small elsatic bands, and although they can look quite artifically after 3 weeks they were covered with the extra moss growth

Re: CO2 system: I was the same as you, in that i didnt have a Co2 system at all, iwas slightly scared about how it worked etc...however was at maidenhead aquatics and they had a special offer on the nutrafin co2 kit, it was 14.99 with 3 months supply of yeast etc..i bought knowing that icould get a refund if it didnt work...and also coz i know the guy who works there.!

It is very very simple to use, just a diffuser that sits in the tank, connected to tubing that is then connected to a screwtop bottle, in which sugar, yeast, stabilizer (bicarb of soda) and warm water go in to. In a matter of hours i was starting to get bubbles of co2 and within 3weeks i could see a increase in growth....i would say it is well worth the purchase...

Also i have amazon swords and java ferns, both are very hardy and easy to grow at any light level, it has really grown with the co2 as well.....

lou
 
Many thanks for your reply. I am tempted by the Co2 kit now you mention it, only thing is I have an airpump running a bubble curtain at the back wall of the tank that A) I really like, and B) Seems to do wonders for the water flow round the tank, and I am wondering if I added a CO2 injector, AND left the bubble wall running I'd be fighting a losing battle? I'm presuming that the CO2 systems don't produce anywhere near as much bubbling as an airpump.

Well, here are the latest results from the tank :)

2nd December 2008 - Day 41 (Day 1 of 'Qualifying') (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 10:00 - (+12:10hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 30 deg. C
NitrIte: 0 :good:
Ammonia: 0
:good:

Time: 21:30
Added approx. 12ml of Ammonia FROM NEW BOTTLE. Should be 4ppm
Reduced Heater setting to 26 deg C


3rd December 2008 - Day 42 (Day 2 of 'Qualifying') (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 08:15 - (+10:45hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 26 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.25
Ammonia: 0
:good:

Test was run slightly early as going to be out at the 12hr time, looking good though

Time: 11:00 - (+13:30hrs since ammonia added)
NitrIte: 0 :good:

So at some point inbetween 'ammonia added'+10:45hrs and 'ammonia added'+13:30hrs it reached zero. I'm happy enough to 'presume' on this occasion it was around the +12:00hrs mark :)

Time: 21:30
Added approx. 12ml of Ammonia FROM NEW BOTTLE. Should be 4ppm


So all in all things are looking good and progressing well. Good results from the tests, but these were not the BEST results for the day...
The best result for the day came from my phonecall to Aqua One this morning regarding the issues I am having with the tank and dissappointment that I had a T8 hood when I was expecting to have a T5.
The person I spoke to was very good, very understanding of the situation, and they are sending out a replacement tank to my LFS, complete with new T5 lighting hood :D :good:
Very happy with their customer support. I was speaking to their 'technical' guy who knew all about their range of tanks, and it was he who said to me that although the tank would be replaced, I could keep my original filter as by now I should have a good bacterial colony formed in it if I am doing a fishless cycle and it would be a waste to lose that.... :blink: I nearly fell off my chair! Most LFS owners don't know about fishless cycling, and here was someone from the tank manufacturer seemingly fairly well clued up on it!

So there we have it, over the rest of this week I shall be carrying on with my 'qualifying' week, but also gradually removing the ornaments and substrate from the tank, (good point, where the heck is all that gravel gonna go... hmm, better get some buckets!). The tank is due to the LFS early next week, (as the couriers only do business-to-business deliveries due to the need for pallet trucks etc), and then I need to get it from there to my house, so I think I am going to be looking at perhaps the 13th for that, and then who knows, if all goes well, (keeping fingers crossed!), I might be able to get some fish on the Sunday, if not it will be ANOTHER week after that! - lol
Hmmm... another 16 days of ammonia @ 12ml per day = 192ml ammonia, I hope the bottle lasts! - :p
 
4th December 2008 - Day 43 (Day 3 of 'Qualifying') (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 09:30 - (+12:00hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 26 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.25 :unsure:
Ammonia: 0 ~ 0.1 :unsure:


Ammonia and nitrIte levels are higher than I would have hoped, but equally I might have been a bit heavy handed with the ammonia last night. 12ml isn't easy to measure using the medicine cup I'm using.
Actually based on this I am going to increase my ammonia dosing to 15ml each time, this will be easier to measure and should take the tank to 5ppm, rather than 4ppm.
Hopefully then in a week when I have to drain the tank and clear it to swap for the replacement the bacteria in the filter should be better established, and I'm hoping then any prolonged 'shutdown' of the filter whilst the tanks are swapped will have a minimal effect


Time: 22:00
Approximately 15ml of ammonia added, should raise the tank to 5ppm
 
5th December 2008 - Day 44 (Day 4 of 'Qualifying') (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 10:00 - (+12:00hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 26 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.5
Ammonia: 0


Ammonia is OK, but nitrIte levels are higher than I would have hoped, but I did add 15ml of ammonia last night. I'm now thinking due to my increased ammonia I can't 'really' class this as qualifying week, so I'm going to wait for things to settle, then qualify again :)

Time: 13:25 - (+13:25hrs since ammonia added)
NitrIte: 0

Time: 19:00
Approximately 15ml of ammonia added, should raise the tank to 5ppm

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6th December 2008 - Day 45 (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 07:35 - (+12:35hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 26 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.25
Ammonia: 0


Time: 23:00
Approximately 15ml of ammonia added, should raise the tank to 5ppm

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7th December 2008 - Day 46 (Day 4 of 'Qualifying') (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 11:00 - (+12:00hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 26 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.5
Ammonia: 0
NitrAte: 40
Ph: 7.6
High Ph: 7.4


Time: 14:00 -(+15:00hrs since ammonia added)
NitrIte: 0

Time: 22:00
Approximately 15ml of ammonia added, should raise the tank to 5ppm
 
Just had a call from my 'other half'. Seems the tank is still taking around 14 hours to process the nitrIte, just the last little bit, (0.5ppm or so at 12 hrs). I'm surprised because I know I upped the ammonia by 1ppm, but I would have thought that at this stage the bacteria should have been able to compensate for that change within a day or so?
 
8th December 2008 - Day 47 (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 10:00 - (+12:00hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 26 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.5 :unsure:
Ammonia: 0


Time: 11:00 - (+13:00hrs since ammonia added)
NitrIte: 0.25

Time: 12:20 - (+14:20hrs since ammonia added)
NitrIte: 0.0

Time: 19:45
Approximately 15ml of ammonia added, should raise the tank to 5ppm
 
9th December 2008 - Day 48 (300L - Fishless Cycle)

Time: 07:45 - (+12:00hrs since ammonia added)
Water Temperature: 26 deg. C
NitrIte: 0.25~0.5
Ammonia: 0


No chance for extra tests today to see when it actually hit zero

Time: 21:45
Approximately 15ml of ammonia added, should raise the tank to 5ppm
 

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