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[lukes280]

Hi my name is Luke. I live in Plymouth and getting in to the tropical fish hobby really fast learning and picking up on my mistakes as I go along. I have had tropical fish before and I was quite young. I thought the tank was dirty so I cleaned it out, fully! Killed all my fish. Now at 14 I have learnt my lesson slowly. Lost loads of fish in the bigging as I used all my old stuff. I washed it all but the heater packed in, for 2weeks didn't know until I saw the temperature reading on the side of the tank. 32c. I had 2 silver sharks in there. both lasted till I replaced the heater then died . After all that I got 2 angels, the best fish in the tank. Fully matured and they are male and female. I can tell as on the black one you can't so the anus but on the female it is pretty large + they was doing a mating thing which I thought was fighting. including in that tank is 2 Synodontis angelicus which are very small when I got them. Also there is a Pleco 168 which is also very small and 2 Albino Aeneus Cory Cat (I find very ugly and also don't see the point of them). I don't know the size of my tank but I think it might be a 20 gallon. Not sure I think it might be bigger. I have just today set up a slightly smaller one. Got to wait for heater which is on order and also got to save up for some plants and ordainment's. I will be stocking the tank with 1 red tail shark 3 angel fish and probably 2 clown loaches. This I hope will all be ready by the end of the month. The tank is already started. the filter is going and the gravel is in. I have not put any treatment for the water (chloride killer) tetra or what ever it is called as the tank will be going with no fish in it for probably a week or 2 3 at max. The smaller tank will only be around for a year as I am hoping for my birthday next year a 200 or 400 litter tank. Then I can hopefully put all my fish together except the two angels in the big tank as I would like her to start laying eggs.

Tell me what you think on both my tanks
Thanks
Luke

 

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[Assaye]

Hi there!

Stick around - we're awesome here

A word about your stocking - if your new tank is smaller than you 20 gallon one, it won't be big enough for angels, sharks or clown loaches

Full grown angels need 18 inches (46 cm) of pure water height in the tank in order to have enough space for their huge fins. They also need 3-4 foot tanks. The shark could reach 8 inches and would also need a 4 foot long tank and the clown loaches will reach 10-12 inches and need a whopping 6 foot of tank.

Try to avoid getting large fish in the hopes of a bigger tank in the future - you never know what will happen and it would be very sad if you couldn't get the new tank and you had some fish that were getting too big for your current one.

Also, here is some information about setting up new fish tanks and how to cycle a tank correctly. Here we tend to do things in a more "scientific" way than you get recommended in shops and by friends who have fish. This is because we've got the resources to keep up to date with all the latest discoveries and are always communicating with each other. It's really worth having a look at that information.

Good luck and have fun! Hope to see you around the forum!

 

[lukes280]

Hi there!

Stick around - we're awesome here

A word about your stocking - if your new tank is smaller than you 20 gallon one, it won't be big enough for angels, sharks or clown loaches

Full grown angels need 18 inches (46 cm) of pure water height in the tank in order to have enough space for their huge fins. They also need 3-4 foot tanks. The shark could reach 8 inches and would also need a 4 foot long tank and the clown loaches will reach 10-12 inches and need a whopping 6 foot of tank.

Try to avoid getting large fish in the hopes of a bigger tank in the future - you never know what will happen and it would be very sad if you couldn't get the new tank and you had some fish that were getting too big for your current one.

Also, here is some information about setting up new fish tanks and how to cycle a tank correctly. Here we tend to do things in a more "scientific" way than you get recommended in shops and by friends who have fish. This is because we've got the resources to keep up to date with all the latest discoveries and are always communicating with each other. It's really worth having a look at that information.

Good luck and have fun! Hope to see you around the forum!

Ok never thought of that and yea I will wait on second thoughts. Problem then. I have to angels in a 20 gallon might be bigger. the problem is that they haven't grown in the 2 month's I have had them. The shop owner said to me some fish grow to the size of the tank meaning that the stop growing after a curton while because of the tank size. Can you give me information on my other tank the bigger one.

Thanks for the information

Luke

 

[Assaye]

Hi there!

Stick around - we're awesome here

A word about your stocking - if your new tank is smaller than you 20 gallon one, it won't be big enough for angels, sharks or clown loaches

Full grown angels need 18 inches (46 cm) of pure water height in the tank in order to have enough space for their huge fins. They also need 3-4 foot tanks. The shark could reach 8 inches and would also need a 4 foot long tank and the clown loaches will reach 10-12 inches and need a whopping 6 foot of tank.

Try to avoid getting large fish in the hopes of a bigger tank in the future - you never know what will happen and it would be very sad if you couldn't get the new tank and you had some fish that were getting too big for your current one.

Also, here is some information about setting up new fish tanks and how to cycle a tank correctly. Here we tend to do things in a more "scientific" way than you get recommended in shops and by friends who have fish. This is because we've got the resources to keep up to date with all the latest discoveries and are always communicating with each other. It's really worth having a look at that information.

Good luck and have fun! Hope to see you around the forum!

Ok never thought of that and yea I will wait on second thoughts. Problem then. I have to angels in a 20 gallon might be bigger. the problem is that they haven't grown in the 2 month's I have had them. The shop owner said to me some fish grow to the size of the tank meaning that the stop growing after a curton while because of the tank size. Can you give me information on my other tank the bigger one.

Thanks for the information

Luke

If they were babies when you got them (i.e. under 5 inches long - angels are usually sold when they are about 1-2 inches long), then they will grow but not necessarily that fast. It is still very important to get them a tall, long tank as otherwise their long fins will drag on the floor of the tank or stick out of the water and get damaged, which could also lead to them suffering and getting infections.

The synodontis will also reach about 8 inches long and so needs a 4 foot tank as adult (although a smaller tank is suitable for a few months).

The L168 (butterfly or flounder plec) will stay fairly small for a plec and would be fine in the 20 gallon, but will of course appreciate the extra space that the other fish will need.

I'm afraid that you've been mislead by the store owner. Some fish due indeed grow to the size of their tank however it is like putting a kitten in a shoe box forever and expecting it to live a long, healthy life. Eventually the fish will start becomming deformed and stunted (and may seem visibly healthy) and this will cause them suffering and vastly decrease their life-span.

Before you get anymore fish I strongly urge you to check the fish you like on several websites and with the members here. We an give you great advice about how big fish get and whether they are suitable for your tank and other fish. Saves you (and the fish) a lot of hassle and stress down the line and saves the fish suffering in the future.

 

[Princesscoral]

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i have also got a tropical fish tank aswell



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[lukes280]

Assaye, on 08 April 2010 - 04:28 AM, said:
Hi there!

Stick around - we're awesome here

A word about your stocking - if your new tank is smaller than you 20 gallon one, it won't be big enough for angels, sharks or clown loaches

Full grown angels need 18 inches (46 cm) of pure water height in the tank in order to have enough space for their huge fins. They also need 3-4 foot tanks. The shark could reach 8 inches and would also need a 4 foot long tank and the clown loaches will reach 10-12 inches and need a whopping 6 foot of tank.

Try to avoid getting large fish in the hopes of a bigger tank in the future - you never know what will happen and it would be very sad if you couldn't get the new tank and you had some fish that were getting too big for your current one.

Also, here is some information about setting up new fish tanks and how to cycle a tank correctly. Here we tend to do things in a more "scientific" way than you get recommended in shops and by friends who have fish. This is because we've got the resources to keep up to date with all the latest discoveries and are always communicating with each other. It's really worth having a look at that information.

Good luck and have fun! Hope to see you around the forum!


Ok never thought of that and yea I will wait on second thoughts. Problem then. I have to angels in a 20 gallon might be bigger. the problem is that they haven't grown in the 2 month's I have had them. The shop owner said to me some fish grow to the size of the tank meaning that the stop growing after a curton while because of the tank size. Can you give me information on my other tank the bigger one.

Thanks for the information

Luke


If they were babies when you got them (i.e. under 5 inches long - angels are usually sold when they are about 1-2 inches long), then they will grow but not necessarily that fast. It is still very important to get them a tall, long tank as otherwise their long fins will drag on the floor of the tank or stick out of the water and get damaged, which could also lead to them suffering and getting infections.

The synodontis will also reach about 8 inches long and so needs a 4 foot tank as adult (although a smaller tank is suitable for a few months).

The L168 (butterfly or flounder plec) will stay fairly small for a plec and would be fine in the 20 gallon, but will of course appreciate the extra space that the other fish will need.

I'm afraid that you've been mislead by the store owner. Some fish due indeed grow to the size of their tank however it is like putting a kitten in a shoe box forever and expecting it to live a long, healthy life. Eventually the fish will start becomming deformed and stunted (and may seem visibly healthy) and this will cause them suffering and vastly decrease their life-span.

Before you get anymore fish I strongly urge you to check the fish you like on several websites and with the members here. We an give you great advice about how big fish get and whether they are suitable for your tank and other fish. Saves you (and the fish) a lot of hassle and stress down the line and saves the fish suffering in the future.

Ok noted. well they will be in there for a year and a bit till I get a big tank. all my fish are very small except the angels at the moment so I reckon it will be ok for some time I hope. You Say about the angel fish and there fins and also in the last comment a 8inch tank in hight would be good. well mine is 9 inch's tall but short in length. Thanks for the reply every one and learned alot from this post. thanks for the welcome everyone!

LUKE

 

[Assaye]

Assaye, on 08 April 2010 - 04:28 AM, said:
Hi there!

Stick around - we're awesome here

A word about your stocking - if your new tank is smaller than you 20 gallon one, it won't be big enough for angels, sharks or clown loaches

Full grown angels need 18 inches (46 cm) of pure water height in the tank in order to have enough space for their huge fins. They also need 3-4 foot tanks. The shark could reach 8 inches and would also need a 4 foot long tank and the clown loaches will reach 10-12 inches and need a whopping 6 foot of tank.

Try to avoid getting large fish in the hopes of a bigger tank in the future - you never know what will happen and it would be very sad if you couldn't get the new tank and you had some fish that were getting too big for your current one.

Also, here is some information about setting up new fish tanks and how to cycle a tank correctly. Here we tend to do things in a more "scientific" way than you get recommended in shops and by friends who have fish. This is because we've got the resources to keep up to date with all the latest discoveries and are always communicating with each other. It's really worth having a look at that information.

Good luck and have fun! Hope to see you around the forum!


Ok never thought of that and yea I will wait on second thoughts. Problem then. I have to angels in a 20 gallon might be bigger. the problem is that they haven't grown in the 2 month's I have had them. The shop owner said to me some fish grow to the size of the tank meaning that the stop growing after a curton while because of the tank size. Can you give me information on my other tank the bigger one.

Thanks for the information

Luke


If they were babies when you got them (i.e. under 5 inches long - angels are usually sold when they are about 1-2 inches long), then they will grow but not necessarily that fast. It is still very important to get them a tall, long tank as otherwise their long fins will drag on the floor of the tank or stick out of the water and get damaged, which could also lead to them suffering and getting infections.

The synodontis will also reach about 8 inches long and so needs a 4 foot tank as adult (although a smaller tank is suitable for a few months).

The L168 (butterfly or flounder plec) will stay fairly small for a plec and would be fine in the 20 gallon, but will of course appreciate the extra space that the other fish will need.

I'm afraid that you've been mislead by the store owner. Some fish due indeed grow to the size of their tank however it is like putting a kitten in a shoe box forever and expecting it to live a long, healthy life. Eventually the fish will start becomming deformed and stunted (and may seem visibly healthy) and this will cause them suffering and vastly decrease their life-span.

Before you get anymore fish I strongly urge you to check the fish you like on several websites and with the members here. We an give you great advice about how big fish get and whether they are suitable for your tank and other fish. Saves you (and the fish) a lot of hassle and stress down the line and saves the fish suffering in the future.

Ok noted. well they will be in there for a year and a bit till I get a big tank. all my fish are very small except the angels at the moment so I reckon it will be ok for some time I hope. You Say about the angel fish and there fins and also in the last comment a 8inch tank in hight would be good. well mine is 9 inch's tall but short in length. Thanks for the reply every one and learned alot from this post. thanks for the welcome everyone!

LUKE

A year is pushing it, but I think do-able. If you can upgrade sooner, please do.

The angel fish need 18 inches of pure water (so the tank will need to be about 20-24 inches tall when you factor in the lid and air at the top and gravel, etc. 9 inches is too small, I'm afraid.

Depending on the species of angel, they could get even bigger than I mentioned. Was doing some research today and found that certain varieties can get to 8 inches long and have 12 inch fin spans. Eeek!

Good luck mate =)

 

[lukes280]

Assaye, on 08 April 2010 - 04:28 AM, said:
Hi there!

Stick around - we're awesome here

A word about your stocking - if your new tank is smaller than you 20 gallon one, it won't be big enough for angels, sharks or clown loaches

Full grown angels need 18 inches (46 cm) of pure water height in the tank in order to have enough space for their huge fins. They also need 3-4 foot tanks. The shark could reach 8 inches and would also need a 4 foot long tank and the clown loaches will reach 10-12 inches and need a whopping 6 foot of tank.

Try to avoid getting large fish in the hopes of a bigger tank in the future - you never know what will happen and it would be very sad if you couldn't get the new tank and you had some fish that were getting too big for your current one.

Also, here is some information about setting up new fish tanks and how to cycle a tank correctly. Here we tend to do things in a more "scientific" way than you get recommended in shops and by friends who have fish. This is because we've got the resources to keep up to date with all the latest discoveries and are always communicating with each other. It's really worth having a look at that information.

Good luck and have fun! Hope to see you around the forum!


Ok never thought of that and yea I will wait on second thoughts. Problem then. I have to angels in a 20 gallon might be bigger. the problem is that they haven't grown in the 2 month's I have had them. The shop owner said to me some fish grow to the size of the tank meaning that the stop growing after a curton while because of the tank size. Can you give me information on my other tank the bigger one.

Thanks for the information

Luke


If they were babies when you got them (i.e. under 5 inches long - angels are usually sold when they are about 1-2 inches long), then they will grow but not necessarily that fast. It is still very important to get them a tall, long tank as otherwise their long fins will drag on the floor of the tank or stick out of the water and get damaged, which could also lead to them suffering and getting infections.

The synodontis will also reach about 8 inches long and so needs a 4 foot tank as adult (although a smaller tank is suitable for a few months).

The L168 (butterfly or flounder plec) will stay fairly small for a plec and would be fine in the 20 gallon, but will of course appreciate the extra space that the other fish will need.

I'm afraid that you've been mislead by the store owner. Some fish due indeed grow to the size of their tank however it is like putting a kitten in a shoe box forever and expecting it to live a long, healthy life. Eventually the fish will start becomming deformed and stunted (and may seem visibly healthy) and this will cause them suffering and vastly decrease their life-span.

Before you get anymore fish I strongly urge you to check the fish you like on several websites and with the members here. We an give you great advice about how big fish get and whether they are suitable for your tank and other fish. Saves you (and the fish) a lot of hassle and stress down the line and saves the fish suffering in the future.

Ok noted. well they will be in there for a year and a bit till I get a big tank. all my fish are very small except the angels at the moment so I reckon it will be ok for some time I hope. You Say about the angel fish and there fins and also in the last comment a 8inch tank in hight would be good. well mine is 9 inch's tall but short in length. Thanks for the reply every one and learned alot from this post. thanks for the welcome everyone!

LUKE

A year is pushing it, but I think do-able. If you can upgrade sooner, please do.

The angel fish need 18 inches of pure water (so the tank will need to be about 20-24 inches tall when you factor in the lid and air at the top and gravel, etc. 9 inches is too small, I'm afraid.

Depending on the species of angel, they could get even bigger than I mentioned. Was doing some research today and found that certain varieties can get to 8 inches long and have 12 inch fin spans. Eeek!

Good luck mate =)

Ok Thanks and yea i will try it will probly be after christmas as depending on the money i get and the money i owe as of computer building. i will stop for a bit.

thanks alot for the information bud!!