New Guppy Drop

[Harlequins]

Well i've decided,although it was very hard,not to save any fry from the livebearers and let nature take its course...

My yellow guppy has just dropped,i think there's around 20 odd floating around,

My reason is that i still have 300+ in the fry tank and thought this is getting silly saving all these fry,

Just clocked the mother chasing her fry,o well gotta to strong and stick to my decision!!

 

[5teady_2012]

Why keep breeding them then, god this gets me so bloody mad.

you have 300+ fry? how about taking some in to the lfs, and then scooping up the fry just been born and take them in to?

Life is precious, and although u say let nature take its course, you have the ability to not let nature take its scourse and save the lives of the fry.

Do the right thing, not the selfish one.

 

[Harlequins]

I don't intentionally breed them,i've just sold 6 livebearers to reduce the ammount of fry,i was saving them up until this point.
I let them grow out first,until they're around 2 months old then sell them on.(at the moment,i've sold around 100 juvi's)
I just gave the local lfs 30 juvi's,and they won't take newly born fry.
So please don't dictate,i know life is precious,and has livebearers drop regularly,i have done my utmost to keep them all alive and safe the hundreds i have reared...

 

[5teady_2012]

put the new born fry in the tank with the 300+?

Whats more important? money or thier lives? take more of the grown on ones in.

I dont mean to sound harsh but you are intentionally breeding if you have females and males, so aint it best to get rid of the females if ur getting over run?

If you dont want slating for your actions, why come on and basically post that your letting the fry die.

 

[Harlequins]

I know where you're coming from from,but its a vicious circle,if i put new born fry in fry tank now the juvi's will eat them anyway,the lfs has no room for more juvi's at the moment,and i have ads free to collector in the local paper.
The fry tank is only 90 litres,so pushing the load now...At least in the main tank,they have tons of hiding places,there's still 5 out 7 survived from the young blue guppy,growing in the main tank.

The only thing i can do is put they in a trap for the time being,i have no more room or money to set up more tanks.

I don't want fish to die,in the wild the fry don't have a nice net to catch them all and put them in a safe place do they??

And i would never put money over fish's welfare!!

 

[Harlequins]

Right after a rethink,i've managed to get hold of a lfs about 8 miles away,willing to take the juvi's,so just catching the new fry ready to put in fry tank,and removing the juvi's.

Sorry if i've offended anyone,but i didn't know what to do for the best.

 

[5teady_2012]

If you think the juvis are big enough to eat them, i would just put them in a trap in either the juvis tank or in your main tank, no harm in that, when they are big enough after a couple of weeks, put them in with the juvis.

Im sorry if i came across hars or aggressive, im easily annoyed when it comes to anything dying/killed/etc.

 

[Paradise3]

I do breed them intentionally but i leave the fry in the main tank as they usually give birth to alot in my tank and it's just nature taking it's course. My guppies always give birth to an even range of 30-35 fry and about 25-30 of them survive to be juvi's which is when i take them down to my LFS. I think i practically supply my LFS with their guppy stock.

 

[VaegaVic]

Why keep breeding them then, god this gets me so bloody mad.

you have 300+ fry? how about taking some in to the lfs, and then scooping up the fry just been born and take them in to?

Life is precious, and although u say let nature take its course, you have the ability to not let nature take its scourse and save the lives of the fry.

Do the right thing, not the selfish one.

I think I'll step in here before a Mod does.
Firstly, livebearers are idiots, they will continually keep breeding til they overpopulate the tank and they all die. Unless you have a large tank, keeping all males generally works out problematic as even the most peaceful will eventually fight and nip.

Secondly, Harlequins sells his fry on, not to make a profit, but ensure that the fry go to homes where they will be cared for properly. Although the money doesn't hurt.

Thirdly, 300+ fry is a #40## good save in the first place! Harlequins has given fish a safe haven in his tank from the pertually stupid children of this world who want them in bowls, and the equally ridiculous LFS who sell them in that condition. It's not Harle's fault that they keep breeding, atleast he has saved 300.

Fourthly, they is no guarentee that fry will be eaten by their parents, some livebearers can be rather parental, whilst others see them as a snack, it all comes down to the individual mother.

Yes all life is precious but at the same time, we can't keep spending money on fry tanks.

 

[aly_starh]

Livebearer_Master ...
Im sure Harlequins knows what she is doing, and from what i have read in the past, she has loads of experience with fish and fry.

Agree with VaegaVic, sorry to say but livebearers arent exactly smart

Each to their own....!

 

[Harlequins]

Why keep breeding them then, god this gets me so bloody mad.

you have 300+ fry? how about taking some in to the lfs, and then scooping up the fry just been born and take them in to?

Life is precious, and although u say let nature take its course, you have the ability to not let nature take its scourse and save the lives of the fry.

Do the right thing, not the selfish one.

I think I'll step in here before a Mod does.
Firstly, livebearers are idiots, they will continually keep breeding til they overpopulate the tank and they all die. Unless you have a large tank, keeping all males generally works out problematic as even the most peaceful will eventually fight and nip.

Secondly, Harlequins sells his fry on, not to make a profit, but ensure that the fry go to homes where they will be cared for properly. Although the money doesn't hurt.

Thirdly, 300+ fry is a #40## good save in the first place! Harlequins has given fish a safe haven in his tank from the pertually stupid children of this world who want them in bowls, and the equally ridiculous LFS who sell them in that condition. It's not Harle's fault that they keep breeding, atleast he has saved 300.

Fourthly, they is no guarentee that fry will be eaten by their parents, some livebearers can be rather parental, whilst others see them as a snack, it all comes down to the individual mother.

Yes all life is precious but at the same time, we can't keep spending money on fry tanks.

Thank you

 

[fishyfeet]

I have to agree here, i see posts again and again about overstocked tanks due to livebearers, i had a female guppy and one day i thought ill get her a friend a nice big red male one and shammmm i got 72 guppys and trying to do water changes daily and feeding them six times a day, never again, i even had males in one tank and females in another, but some change sex (another story) and guppys store sperm so can carry on reproducing without a male. Constantly breeding them also causes the females to become tired so think about them once in a while. di

 

[backtotropical]

Please keep this thread in line, guys. If it gets out of hand, it will be closed.

 

[5teady_2012]

Livebearer_Master ...
Im sure Harlequins knows what she is doing, and from what i have read in the past, she has loads of experience with fish and fry.

Agree with VaegaVic, sorry to say but livebearers arent exactly smart

Each to their own....!

I did noy say she did not know what she was doing..

But like most people, if you know how they breed so much, why keep so many females, its a simple think process before you start to breed, weigh up the pros and cons, have the room and space to house the fry, or have places they can go to in emergenices. simple process, simple husbandry.

Like i say, im not sayind they dont what they are doing, but when u post something like this, expect positive and negative feedback.

ps, i also know what im doing to, especially when it comes to livebearers.

 

[VaegaVic]

Livebearer_Master ...
Im sure Harlequins knows what she is doing, and from what i have read in the past, she has loads of experience with fish and fry.

Agree with VaegaVic, sorry to say but livebearers arent exactly smart

Each to their own....!

I did noy say she did not know what she was doing..

But like most people, if you know how they breed so much, why keep so many females, its a simple think process before you start to breed, weigh up the pros and cons, have the room and space to house the fry, or have places they can go to in emergenices. simple process, simple husbandry.

Like i say, im not sayind they dont what they are doing, but when u post something like this, expect positive and negative feedback.

ps, i also know what im doing to, especially when it comes to livebearers.

Just like to jump in again before the topic gets closed, which it inevitably will at this rate.
It's not like Harle keeps 10 females to 1 male, she keeps a respectable amount, most likely the amount that is advised by every single livebearer keeper, 1M:2F (min). As I said, without a large tank, keeping all males can be disastrous.
Harle has also dedicated an entire 90L as a fry tank, that's not a small amount of water just for fry! She has single handedly saved over 300 lives and counting! She has the space to house them and let them grow, then sells them on, I don't see how this can be considered negative.

I do exactly the same thing with my hybrids, take the pick of the batch that show the colours I want and then continue to breed them with another strain. Any fry I don't want stay in the parents tank til they are big enough to transported. I only lose around 10% of the total number of fry by doing this, and I'm sure that those lost are the weaklings.

Natural selection at the end of the day. If you survive not being eaten, you go onto reproduce offspring which will hopefully do the same thing.

Anyway, back on topic (although I don't know what the topic actually is, as I believe we are actually on topic anyway), congrats on the fry yet again Harle, I'm sure you keep pumping hormones into all your tanks!