New Guppy Drop

[5teady_2012]

Im not disputing what she does, im just simply saying her resources need to be widened, this dont cost money at all.

 

[VaegaVic]

Im not disputing what she does, im just simply saying her resources need to be widened, this dont cost money at all.

I really do beg to differ on this one.
Fish keeping is one of THE most expensive hobbies around, especially in the recent years.
Also considering not only cost, but also space, alot of us have families and cannot replace our other pets with tanks everywhere.
We're not all Inchworm! lol

For my hyrbid project it has cost me a grand total of:
1 Tank = £20
1 Heater = £15
1 Java moss on bogwood = £10
2 Female Endlers = Free
Baby Food = £3 (Btw, how much of a rip off is that?!)

To set up this small 15L tank, it has cost me £48. Doubtful I will ever make any return on it what so ever, simply because I'm doing it for my own personal enjoyment and not selling the hybrids.
Sorry, but no one in their right mind is going to shell out £50 every time their livebearers have babies, it's just not manageable.

 

[5teady_2012]

Im not disputing what she does, im just simply saying her resources need to be widened, this dont cost money at all.

I really do beg to differ on this one.
Fish keeping is one of THE most expensive hobbies around, especially in the recent years.
Also considering not only cost, but also space, alot of us have families and cannot replace our other pets with tanks everywhere.
We're not all Inchworm! lol

For my hyrbid project it has cost me a grand total of:
1 Tank = £20
1 Heater = £15
1 Java moss on bogwood = £10
2 Female Endlers = Free
Baby Food = £3 (Btw, how much of a rip off is that?!)

To set up this small 15L tank, it has cost me £48. Doubtful I will ever make any return on it what so ever, simply because I'm doing it for my own personal enjoyment and not selling the hybrids.
Sorry, but no one in their right mind is going to shell out £50 every time their livebearers have babies, it's just not manageable.

uhh? it does not cost no many to find more lfs that can take in the fry (thats what i meant by widening resources)

 

[VaegaVic]

Im not disputing what she does, im just simply saying her resources need to be widened, this dont cost money at all.

uhh? it does not cost no many to find more lfs that can take in the fry (thats what i meant by widening resources)

Well, shockingly, that is what she is already doing!
Also, I'd like throw in, petrol costs.
My nearest LFS is 2 miles away, I can walk it if need be.
My second nearest LFS is over 9 miles away, so 18 miles per a trip.
My third is over 15!

 

[Alind]

For me speaking infront of Harlequins, will be like showing lamp to Sun.
She really Knows What She is doing.
What i had learned so far About livebearers is from Harlequins,Oldman and Knox.

@Livebearer_Master : Please Don't get disturbed,i am also a person who never let even an ant die infront of me, but here at many place not saving frys is also suggested.
Only 2 Drops Makes my home look like Uhhh..
i sold both females imidiatly and belive me each of the action was under the guidence of Harlequins.

So suggesting her would be unfair, she know more options then us but what she choose was her Decision.

Have a nice Day to All.

 

[5teady_2012]

For me speaking infront of Harlequins, will be like showing lamp to Sun.
She really Knows What She is doing.
What i had learned so far About livebearers is from Harlequins,Oldman and Knox.

@Livebearer_Master : Please Don't get disturbed,i am also a person who never let even an ant die infront of me, but here at many place not saving frys is also suggested.
Only 2 Drops Makes my home look like Uhhh..
i sold both females imidiatly and belive me each of the action was under the guidence of Harlequins.

So suggesting her would be unfair, she know more options then us but what she choose was her Decision.

Have a nice Day to All.

again im not disputing that!!!!!

If she was willing to come on the forum and say what she is doing (which personally i see no point in) she has to expect positive and negative comments on this situation.

Im all for saving life, when i see this not being done, it angers me, when lives are in the hands of someone (no need for nature to take its course - where not in the wild) play god well.

 

[Alind]

For me speaking infront of Harlequins, will be like showing lamp to Sun.
She really Knows What She is doing.
What i had learned so far About livebearers is from Harlequins,Oldman and Knox.

@Livebearer_Master : Please Don't get disturbed,i am also a person who never let even an ant die infront of me, but here at many place not saving frys is also suggested.
Only 2 Drops Makes my home look like Uhhh..
i sold both females imidiatly and belive me each of the action was under the guidence of Harlequins.

So suggesting her would be unfair, she know more options then us but what she choose was her Decision.

Have a nice Day to All.

again im not disputing that!!!!!

If she was willing to come on the forum and say what she is doing (which personally i see no point in) she has to expect positive and negative comments on this situation.

Im all for saving life, when i see this not being done, it angers me, when lives are in the hands of someone (no need for nature to take its course - where not in the wild) play god well.

You are absolutely right!!
i replied as i see you a part of my family,
your point is true and it shows how kind and soft hearted person you are.
but i just wanna tell you, if you browse the forum at many places you will find Harlequins saying "i can't see the fry dying, so i resqued them once again".
She is also a very kind person and what ever she did was her dicision which she could'nt kept inside and share with her family.
And You Have right to express your point and belive me Harlequins would be the first to welcome your View.

i request you to have a dialog with harlequins and see what a great personality she is, just like you .

Shubham .

(In Sanskrit shubham means "Every thing be well")

 

[Alind]

Livebearer_Master
I see you have same view of life as i do,as you had cristal clear view of life,
It's nice to know a person like you!
Have a nice day!

 

[fish48]

If you have to many fry feed them to a fish that will eat them.
most lfs don’t give **** about fry if its not going to make a profit they wont take them,
it is not a good idea to try and save all your fry you can get over stockt with fish and end up with problems trying take proper care of them.

 

[5teady_2012]

If you have to many fry feed them to a fish that will eat them.
most lfs don’t give **** about fry if its not going to make a profit they wont take them,
it is not a good idea to try and save all your fry you can get over stockt with fish and end up with problems trying take proper care of them.

Which bring me back to my pont of controlled breeding..

Its very importantto me you understand that as a previous breeder for a very long time, i studided lots and lots and prepared myself for any problems i may have.

1 being overstocking levels.

Now what i did was have 2 males and 5 females, leave both sexes together for a month, then take out the males (these i use to put in my fry tank which was a 4ft tank dived in to 2 sections, 1 section being 3ft for the upcoming fry, and 1 foot for the 2 males i had.)

I calculated it at an average of 30 fry per month x 5 (150 fry) with the females holding sperm packets for 6 months i expected 900 fry approx every 6 months.

Now i knew that every month i could give my lfs 150 juvis, so i found a great diet to boost thier growth on to help and also upped water changes which stimulates thier growth too..

Disregarding the first month cos obviously the first lot have to be gron on, after the first month i was getting approx 150 fry p/m and every month i was getting rid of 150 leaving me 150, so after a couple of months i was able to constantly supply the fish store with 150 juvis and at no point was my tank getting overstocked cos it was controlled and the females could only max out 6-7 months worth of fry. so it went a bit like this..

ALL APPROX

All that has to be taken in to accout is that your fish wont drop thier fry the same day and all at the same time, but you still can control by not starting anything until the first fish drops, and the last one drops, after the last one drops, wait a month after that before starting the 6 month pattern below.

1st month 150 born
2nd month another 150 born = 300 - 150 to lfs leaving 150 left
3rd month 150 born + 150 still got = 300 - 150 to lfs = 150 left
4th month 150 born + 150 still got = 300 - 150 to lfs = 150 left
5th month 150 born + 150 still got = 300 - 150 to lfs = 150 left (time to get the males back in for a month)***
6th month 150 born + 150 still got = 300 - 150 to lfs = 150 left (limit under control at the end of breeding packets).

Now bear in mind i would always take the biggest juvis i had in to the lfs keeping stocking levels always good.
Also i backed myself up with another lfs just incase i needed them at anytime to unexpected numbers.

*** When i was ready and felt i was ready for more fry, the males would go back on with the females for a further month to start the process over again.

Controlled breeding is smart and saves many issues and saves the life of fry, i was only using 2 tanks to do this.

 

[Harlequins]

Thanks everyone for your positive input & support

I didn't mean to start anything up

I can understand where Livebearer master is coming from with his info,i do appreciate that we all have opinions,
This would have been the first time i had decided to leave them in the tank,(although they have been removed now),mainly because like i said the fry tank was near bursting..
I had good info from oldman regarding fry and once the community get use to see smaller fry etc in the tank they will give chase and then the adults do get use to them being there,this is very true i was putting 4 week old guppy & platy fry in the main tank and they were totally ignored by the others,hence my thoughts on leaving this first batch ever in the tank to take the chance.

I did have 6 guppys & 6 platys,to cut down on the drops,i sold 3 lots of each,keeping the young guppy females(who dont drop many at the moment) and my favourite platy went also,mainly because the blue platy was dropping on average 60+ fry a month.
I perform w/c daily on the tank to keep it all clean to raise healthy fry.

Now this is my way of cutting back on the breeding and the drops to slow them down,i love fry and wouldn't do anything to hurt them,but has someone said the strongest & healthiest will survive and thats what in my opinion good fishkeeping is all about.

 

[VaegaVic]

In all honesty, I don't actually see what the arguing is all about anymore.
We seem to have drifted from the issue, if it even is an issue.


Harle was already giving stock to a LFS. They were accepting them and still are, so I don't know where that became an argument.


Harle breeds guppies and platies, keeps an 90L fry tank to make sure they mature and then moves them off to the LFS. Again, should be no argument.


Harle did decide that maybe this time, the fry should be left in the tank as the 90L was at critical stocking levels, of over 300+ fish.


That was few days ago. Harle reconsidered on her original idea, and managed to find new homes for the juvi's in the 90L, same as usual, so she could fit the new borns in.
This still does not detract from the idea that the babies were left in the tank for atleast a day, and none (that we know of) have been eaten.


I honestly cannot see what the argument is anymore. You either agree that she has done the right thing by placing them in the fry tank, maturing to be sent to the LFS, or you disagree and think she should have left them in the main tank.


So far, I think we're all saying that the former is the best idea, and it has already been done.
Also, in response to :


"If she was willing to come on the forum and say what she is doing (which personally i see no point in)"


You might as well say that for every single journal and log on this site, actually, you might as well say it for the entire site altogether!


/topic

 

[5teady_2012]

In all honesty, I don't actually see what the arguing is all about anymore.
We seem to have drifted from the issue, if it even is an issue.


Harle was already giving stock to a LFS. They were accepting them and still are, so I don't know where that became an argument.


Harle breeds guppies and platies, keeps an 90L fry tank to make sure they mature and then moves them off to the LFS. Again, should be no argument.


Harle did decide that maybe this time, the fry should be left in the tank as the 90L was at critical stocking levels, of over 300+ fish.


That was few days ago. Harle reconsidered on her original idea, and managed to find new homes for the juvi's in the 90L, same as usual, so she could fit the new borns in.
This still does not detract from the idea that the babies were left in the tank for atleast a day, and none (that we know of) have been eaten.


I honestly cannot see what the argument is anymore. You either agree that she has done the right thing by placing them in the fry tank, maturing to be sent to the LFS, or you disagree and think she should have left them in the main tank.


So far, I think we're all saying that the former is the best idea, and it has already been done.
Also, in response to :


"If she was willing to come on the forum and say what she is doing (which personally i see no point in)"


You might as well say that for every single journal and log on this site, actually, you might as well say it for the entire site altogether!


/topic

Now u see your manuipulating what i said there cos u missed the most important part of that sentence which said at the en "expect positive and negative comments...........

 

[Harlequins]

I've accepted positive & negative comments,

I didn't mean for it to become a slating match,or be slated,but we all agree to disagree on certain matters.thats what life is all about,i'll be a pretty boring world if we were all the same.

But hey guys i've learnt a lot from you fabby experts and will continue to learn all the time whether its good or bad,we all learn by our mistakes,and it makes you a stronger person and a better fish keeper.

Thanks all

 

[lilacamy931]

Well Harlequins I think you are doing great and make very well informed decisions, you certainly think about things alot more than some people I know both off and online. We can do our best but natural selection will always play a part, keep on trucking, I know you will do the best thing for all your fish!