New Fry From Controversial Pleco

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TwoTankAmin

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At the very end of 2009/early 2010 I had a chance to purchase some rare plecos. These plecos had a whole bunch of issues surrounding them and their identification. It created a bit of a row in a thread I started about them on Planetcatfish in April 2011.
 
The fish were sold as L173b. A letter designation after an L number is not something "official". In theory L173 and L236 (and if these are actual species is still up in the air) supposedly have a high degree of variability in their appearance. What hobbyists want are the ones with the really striking patterning. However, these F1 fish are said to throw fry which often do not look like the parents. They have less desirable patterning.
 
The L173b are sold by aquarium Glaser in Germany, which is where mine originated. They are sold for less than the most perfect specimens but they are supposed to produce fry that will include some of the most coveted patterning.
 
When I bought the fish I was pretty much aware of all this and went into it eyes wide open. And then came the controversial thread on PlanetCat. In one of my posts I said if ever the fish spawned, I would report it and from there it would be interesting to see how the fry looked. But for the next few years all the 7 fish I had did was to outgrow the 20 gal long tank they were in.
 
About 2 months ago, as part of an ongoing upgrade, they were moved into a 33 gal long. I went to do the regular maintenance on that tank late yesterday afternoon. I had barely begun when out from under a rock swam a very tiny fry. if I were not quite so old and with a mum knew I would have leapt straight off the stool I was so giddy with joy. Further inspection showed it still had the smallest bit of yolk sac left and dad was still in the cave fanning the others and would not let me see them.
 
I have no idea how many fry there might be. It could be just the one as its a new dad who may have messed up or it could be more. Hopefully this is the start of a number of spawns and I will get enough fry to raise to see how they turn out.
 
I have one group of Hypans left I am waiting on to spawn. These are the even more controversial L236s. And these fish have a real story behind them. I think they still have another 6 12 months of maturing to do before they are ready.
 
Excellent. A photo would be nice to see.
 
I think the URL is incomplete.
 
Yes, those work. Lovely fish. Very nice body shape.
 
What's the max size they grow to?
 
Wow, those plecos are gorgeous!
 
Must have taken lots of patience to wait for them for finally mature enough to breed!
 
Can't wait to see how many there are :D
 
Those are awesome!!  I love the difference in their patterns.  :)
 
The thing is, they are likely related. The story behind them is they are from L173 parents, the best looking ones. However, 173 is believed to be a variable species. Aquarium Glaser in Germany gets in some unique stuff they farm out to breeders who then return the fry to be sold by Glaser. The fry from the parents that do not like like the parents are sold as 173b. In theory when they spawn some of the fry are supposed to be the most desirable pattern.
 
Did a water change om the tank today ans spotted at least 3 fry zipping about. They tend to come out at the point I have most of the filters not running due to being cleaned. then they really go nuts when the refill water hits and the filters got back on. When the water is all the way back they vanish. I have seen this from a number of different pleco fry over the years.
 
It is really hard to get pics. I normally try to keep the camera not near when doing maint. as there is water all over the place. Plus the light on the tank is basically so I can see when cleaning, otherwise it is never on. So it isn't ideal for pics either. The pictures in the link I posted took me about 5 hours and my brother who helped for another 2+ taking the pics.
 
I am awful with most of today's tiny digital gadgets, and that includes my camera.
 

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