New Aquarist Needs Help

[leestaite]

Have bought fluval edge and to save too much typing its been cycled with java fern and hornwort and is ready for some fish. (It is 23litre and set at 25c) I'm looking to end up with: (I'm not going to add all at the same time)
1x Dwarf gourami
6x Galaxy Rasbora
2x Otto / Oto Cat Fish
Would love to hear from with any problems or changes you think are needed before I go ahead.
Any ideas which fish to put in first?

 

[KittyKat]

..when did you have time to cycle it if you didn't have the tank yesterday?

Dwarf gourami will suffocate in it (labyrinth fish require good access to surface) and the tank is too small for it and as I said before, it's not really suitable for Otos either because they are a bit too big for the tank and do best in larger groups.

If the tank is truly fish-less cycled, you can put all the fish in at the same time. If it is not cycled, they will all die because Otos and galaxies are not exactly capable of coping with a fish-in cycle and a gourami will not have the access to air that it needs. Otos would actually do quite badly in anything which wasn't a few months old.

 

[leestaite]

I have read and understood the importance of cycling and didn't want replies to be focused on that. I really need help on stocking. All I know is I want 6 small fish ie Galaxy Rasbora and something for the bottom like catfish (can't be shrimps if I'm to keep the peace at home ) Would also love a 'bigger' fish ie betta spelenda or platy but don't think either are suitable for this type of tank. Thank you for the advice on the Dwarf gourami, glad I havn't drowned a fish

 

[matuk]

Have bought fluval edge and to save too much typing its been cycled with java fern and hornwort and is ready for some fish. (It is 23litre and set at 25c) I'm looking to end up with: (I'm not going to add all at the same time)
1x Dwarf gourami
6x Galaxy Rasbora
2x Otto / Oto Cat Fish
Would love to hear from with any problems or changes you think are needed before I go ahead.
Any ideas which fish to put in first?

hardy fish are a good start but how have you been cycling? with amonia or just straight running with plants. at 25c all fish the above can live in that temp. also there would be no reason why you couldn't add all the fish above at once, but this depends on how you have cycled your tank, and what lph your pump is.

basically if you have done a fishless cycle with amonia then adding 2-3 fish will actually kill Bactria till it levels out to how much ammonia you fish are producing, but adding 9 fish in there will be literally 2 fish over what your filter can handle, but just dont feed a great deal for two days and your tank will acclimatize to your fish, i have a 419 litre tank with 1 500lph and 1 300lph filter and i introduced 15 fish at first, up to the current 30 i have now. and none died and there all still alive 8-9 months later

to be fair people say start with starter fish but if you introduce the fish properly, with no lights, fish in bag for 30 mins, add a bit of water. 10 mins more, repeat this till you have nearly a full bag of water.and then net out the fish, i say this because you never know what is in the fish store water, however clear it may look. and not only that you slowly introduce your ph and hardness of water to the fish, rather then a shock difference which is were most people go wrong,
if you youve ever been in the fish shop after they take delivery your see them slowly introducing water to the bucket of water they were delivered in

think of it like stepping of a plane out in to the Egyptian heat, the heat hits you like a wall! trust me i know! but if the plane slowly heated up over say an hour then it wouldn't be so bad if you get me!

any questions reply or pm me,

 

[KittyKat]

I have read and understood the importance of cycling and didn't want replies to be focused on that. I really need help on stocking. All I know is I want 6 small fish ie Galaxy Rasbora and something for the bottom like catfish (can't be shrimps if I'm to keep the peace at home ) Would also love a 'bigger' fish ie betta spelenda or platy but don't think either are suitable for this type of tank. Thank you for the advice on the Dwarf gourami, glad I havn't drowned a fish

Sorry, but here you are better off shouting "I AM GOING TO FISH-LESS CYCLE BEFORE GETTING THE FISH" at the top of the post.. so few people know about it that it's automatically the first thing most pick up on.

The thing about bigger fish is that they need bigger space..

 

[doresy]

I am doubting that this tank has been fish less cycled and if no fish have been introduced then it will quickly un cycle.

Obviously in the 6-8 weeks it would have taken to cycle not much research has been done as ironically 2 fish that would be totally unsuitable for that kind of tank have been suggested.....ie Dwarf Gourami and a Betta.

Perhaps if we did focus on the cycling history of your tank for a minute then a stocking list may be more forth coming.

 

[leestaite]

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The thing about bigger fish is that they need bigger space..
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Would a betta splenda be ok with the Galaxy Rasboras?
Still on the hunt for a bottom dweller XD any ideas?

 

[Lolly123]

If it were me, I personally wouldnt add the otto's as kitty kat said a larger tank would be better especially for the grouping purpose.

Although you want help with stocking which is a good start, people often ask about the cycling process because it gives them more information on how to advise you. If you need the advice sometimes people need to know a little more, its just routine.

Obviously as you already know, you've got quite a big limitation on your stocking choice, however i'm sure you will have some luck with finalising your list. I'm sure there are some threads on here about stocking a fluval edge.

 

[leestaite]

Perhaps if we did focus on the cycling history of your tank for a minute then a stocking list may be more forth coming.

I am going to do a fishless cycle once I have purchased the tank. I just want ideas for stocking as explained above.
If a betta splenda isn't suitable can you actually give me a fish that would be happy without any of its own kind.
These are the only fish hagen advise as being "suitable" White Cloud Mountain Minnows (cold water), Betta Splendens (need lots of space to 'zoom'), Barbs, Danios, small Goldfish (cold water and grow too big and very dirty), Crystal Red Shrimps, Snails. But on further research and from what your saying on here only the shrimps and snails are suitable. How can they have it soooooooo wrong?

 

[Lolly123]

Perhaps if we did focus on the cycling history of your tank for a minute then a stocking list may be more forth coming.

I am going to do a fishless cycle once I have purchased the tank. I just want ideas for stocking as explained above.
If a betta splenda isn't suitable can you actually give me a fish that would be happy without any of its own kind.
These are the only fish hagen advise as being "suitable" White Cloud Mountain Minnows (cold water), Betta Splendens (need lots of space to 'zoom'), Barbs, Danios, small Goldfish (cold water and grow too big and very dirty), Crystal Red Shrimps, Snails. But on further research and from what your saying on here only the shrimps and snails are suitable. How can they have it soooooooo wrong?

What about mini tetras/microrasboras.

The problem with the edge is that it looks lovely, but its just got problems. I dont know what more to say. Id love to have one if they didnt have all the associated bother.

 

[leestaite]

If it were me, I personally wouldnt add the otto's as kitty kat said a larger tank would be better especially for the grouping purpose.

Ok, thank you. Have looked at other threads and that is where I got the idea for the Galaxy Rasbora
http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/348599-stocking-fluval-edge/

 

[leestaite]

2 fish that would be totally unsuitable for that kind of tank have been suggested.....ie Dwarf Gourami and a Betta.

Just out of interest and to help me look for other fish what problem does the betta splendas have in the fluval edge? It is recomended by the manufacturer, but then agian I suppose they've just mentioned them to sell the tank. There also is water surface for the dwarf gourami (it's not all covered in glass), I agree it is small but surely the fish would find it easily enough. I am listening it's just I like to understand

 

[Lolly123]

If it were me, I personally wouldnt add the otto's as kitty kat said a larger tank would be better especially for the grouping purpose.

Ok, thank you. Have looked at other threads and that is where I got the idea for the Galaxy Rasbora
http/www.fishforum...ng-fluval-edge/

I dont see a problem with some galaxy rasboras, chilli rasboras, also recommended elsewhere was a group of male endlers. However, ive never had a tank of that capacity so if you feel like checking that advice feel free lol

 

[ian]

personally and this is just my opinion, i think the Edge is perfect for a Betta. A betta can still take O2 from the water column can't it? It's labyrinth is just a back up for the fish, is that right?

edit...i wouldn't put a dwarf gourami in there though.

 

[leestaite]

personally and this is just my opinion, i think the Edge is perfect for a Betta. A betta can still take O2 from the water column can't it? It's labyrinth is just a back up for the fish, is that right?

Kinda I'd prefer to have a betta splenda (unless anyone can recomend an alternative, would 1 Platy be ok or would i need more?), 6 Galaxy Rasbora and two bottom dwellers
Not sure what bottom dwellers though, have thought of otto catfish (or other small cat fish) but from what I've heard the tank isn't big enough.