Need Help Identifying Fish

[Kazul]

I just bought these fish and do not know what kind they are. I would like to look up information on how much I need to feed them and what not. I know I have the temps at least close to correct based on the fact that they were in the tank at the store with goldfish so I used the goldfish temperature. 68-72 degrees. Somebody please help me out I am a complete newbie and I went to walmart and bought a tank and fish at the same time. I realize now that that isn't a good idea. So far they seem to be doing okay.

 

[waterdrop]

Those look to be a type of fancy goldfish (goldfish with a tri-tail are fancy, a plain 2-finned tail means they are standard goldfish.) Fancies don't ultimately get quite as big as plain goldfish and therefor can have slightly less water volume.

The minimum volume guidelines for fancies are 20 US gallons for the first fish and an additional 10 US gallons for each additional fish. For plain goldfish it's 30 US gallons for the first fish and 10 for each additional. The problem is that they are really pond/lake fish but the cultural things that go against this have existed for so many, many decades that incorrect information just keeps coming back over and over.

We have had a few members who like them so much that they are willing to maintain the huge tanks that are necessary to have a lot of them but most give up and are able to find people with ponds. It really depends on your determination and of course the means.

~~waterdrop~~

 

[Kazul]

So how long do you think they will be OK in this tank? I planned on purchasing a bigger tank anyways but apparently I need to get one ASAP.

 

[waterdrop]

If there are not more than the 5 I count in the picture, I guess you are looking at around a 60 US gallon (or I guess the typical UK size near that might be a 240L) and you'd want good filtration. I have no idea what to say about time, they are probably ready for it currently but I wouldn't rush it so much as to make bad decisions about the new gear.

WD

 

[Kazul]

There are 6 of the "fancy goldfish" and 2 "sucker fish" (the kind that attach to the walls and clean the tank).

 

[Mikaila31]

I hope you cycled the tank if you just bought all those fish...

 

[Kazul]

I bought the tank at the same time as the fish. I made sure all the ph and what not was right before I put the bags in there but I didn't want to keep them in the bags a long time so I don't know if I really cycled it. But I have a 5 in 1 test kit. Litmus paper I'm assuming. It tests ph, nitrate nitrite alkalinity.

 

[Skins]

I agree with the sound advice WD has given you. As for your fancies they look like Calico Veiltails, very pretty

Keith.

 

[waterdrop]

Yes, Mikaila, this was where I was going. Kazul, the picture had us concerned that the volume might ultimately be nowhere near what they need but you have a far worse problem if the tank and fish are both brand new. It means you have no "biofilter." These take about two months to create (if you are expeienced or have help from experienced fishkeepers) and this is normally done before any fish can be added to the environment, otherwise the fish can die in their own waste. The situation is called an emergency Fish-In Cycle.

I suspect all focus may need to be on re-homing the fish, at least temporarily, but it's not appropriate for me to say that yet until you've posted the volume of your tank and discussed it with the other members. I need to run but I'm sure they'll discuss the pros and cons with you. Many of them have experienced fish-in cycles and the water changing involved.

~~waterdrop~~

 

[raptorrex]

Yes, Mikaila, this was where I was going. Kazul, the picture had us concerned that the volume might ultimately be nowhere near what they need but you have a far worse problem if the tank and fish are both brand new. It means you have no "biofilter." These take about two months to create (if you are expeienced or have help from experienced fishkeepers) and this is normally done before any fish can be added to the environment, otherwise the fish can die in their own waste. The situation is called an emergency Fish-In Cycle.

I suspect all focus may need to be on re-homing the fish, at least temporarily, but it's not appropriate for me to say that yet until you've posted the volume of your tank and discussed it with the other members. I need to run but I'm sure they'll discuss the pros and cons with you. Many of them have experienced fish-in cycles and the water changing involved.

~~waterdrop~~

good advice there. but i would suggest 30 ukg for the first fish. though agree the best bet it to rehome. an uncycled tank is not the place for so many fish. last thought is, are the "sucker fish" not tropical?

 

[Kazul]

I surely hope not. They were housed in the same tank as the fish I currently have. So I should perform one of these fish-in cycles while my new 120gal is being setup?

 

[raptorrex]

I surely hope not.

before you do anything, FIND OUT!

They were housed in the same tank as the fish I currently have. So I should perform one of these fish-in cycles while my new 120gal is being setup?

not with the stock you have. BOTH tanks need cycled, anyway. honestly? you need to take them back or, rehome them in a cycled tank.

 

[Aqua Tom]

You tank is not cycled & you are overstocked.


I will be blunt.



Take the fish back.

Have a sit down & good read about fishless or fish-in cycles.

Then read about tank size & fish stocking levels.

Then make a decision as to what you want in the tank.

Then ask again before you do anything else.



~Tom~

 

[Carlovel1]

You tank is not cycled & you are overstocked.


I will be blunt.



Take the fish back.

Have a sit down & good read about fishless or fish-in cycles.

Then read about tank size & fish stocking levels.

Then make a decision as to what you want in the tank.

Then ask again before you do anything else.



~Tom~

Couldn't have said it any better