My Tank Is A Nightmare! Neons Swimming Vertically?

[Loobie]

Sorta, but alot better than last night, and the blood spot is on the harlequin not the neon.

It seems a happy fish tank at the moment, I'm going to get my dinner in a mo and all might have changed but seems ok.

 

[WILDER]

Ok, have your dinner and get back.
Loobie not on my computor yet the wirless connection playing up need my son to look at it when he gets home.

 

[Underwurlde]

big bellies but that's because I've just fed them

How much are you feeding them!!!!

Anyway, red patches, big bellies.

Septicemia & Dropsy?? (They go hand in hand).

IF this is confirmed, ISOLATE the effected fish.

Andy

 

[Loobie]

Checked on my fish and again all seems fine, swimming horizontally quite happy, apart from the blood spot, and not sure what that is.

Isn't dropsy the one where it looks like a pine cone?? If it is then they don't have that and the blood spot is on the harlequin not the neon, so would it still be septicemia??

I feed them a variety of frozen food but only enough for them all to eat, there is no surplus

 

[WILDER]

Blood spots are septicemia blood poisoning.
Hard to cure once it has progressed, you can even get small tiny red pin pricks which is viral septicemia.
A fish with septicemia can release the bacteria into the tank.
Septicemia and dropsy go hand in hand.
Dropsy is a build up of fluids that cause the fish scales to stick out, once this happens it organ failure.
Epson salt baths can help draw the fluids out but once scales stick out they tend not to make it.

http/www.fishtanksandponds.info/care-mai...septicaemia.htm

 

[kev350d]

Neons and cardinals will appear white (no colour) 1st thing in the morning when lights are turned on but soon gain their colour with confidence "infact i think they have all been swallowed but slowly they appear one by one from the plants, they also loose all colour if they are stressed or scared. Is there any current from your pumps in the tank as i have 23 mix neons / cardinals and they love to swim through the current twitching vertically.

Im not saying you dont have a problem but check the obvious stuff 1st..

 

[WILDER]

Red spots on skin can be caused by:
Regarding the small red dot, small pinprick like haemorrhages (called petechiae) can be due to a local lesion, a generalised septicaemia or toxaemia caused by acute viral and bacterial infections.

 

[Loobie]

Yep there's a current in my tank, and at some point they all like playing in it's torrent!!

The harlequin with the blood spot, it doesn't seem like an ulcer or cut it's like a tiny drop of blood on the surface, it seems ok, feeding well, but does seem to be a little agressive to the other fish, seems to swim along side another harlequin and then they both swim backwards and cross over and then swim off..... ooooh eeerrr I thought it was a mating thing, maybe it's more agressive than that!!

If it's viral/bacterial then I should be ok with the meds I'm using then?

 

[Talkmuch]

K these should be the first two things that should be done:
1.) Put aquasafe/aquaplus itno the tank. (or any other regular de-chlorinzing medicince you have) Make sure you dont put to much (if you do it really doesnt matter)

2.) Put about 1/2 to 1 tbsp of salt into the tank. This HELPS in almost any situation when the fish is stressed out. and it works best when the fish is swimming vertically.

Salt WILL HELP, and if its a rapid spreading disease, then the salt will delay the process. Make sure the salt is regular salt, and doesnt have anything harmful to the fish. I put the salt i use in food, and it works perfectly.

 

[Miss Wiggle]

K these should be the first two things that should be done:
1.) Put aquasafe/aquaplus itno the tank. (or any other regular de-chlorinzing medicince you have) Make sure you dont put to much (if you do it really doesnt matter)

2.) Put about 1/2 to 1 tbsp of salt into the tank. This HELPS in almost any situation when the fish is stressed out. and it works best when the fish is swimming vertically.

Salt WILL HELP, and if its a rapid spreading disease, then the salt will delay the process. Make sure the salt is regular salt, and doesnt have anything harmful to the fish. I put the salt i use in food, and it works perfectly.

hmmm

i dunno what this aquasafe stuff is for starters, can you explain what it is and what it does.

secondly you should not advise people to just put salt into they're tanks regardless. yes it is a good medication but there are many many fish which are extremley sensitive to it and it could kill them. you should always put a warning up about this when advising people to use salt as others could read it and add salt to they're tanks and kill they're prize fish.

loobie i'm sorry i don't know much about sceptacemia so can't really help you any further, just listen to Wilder she knows her stuff. it's down to you but personally i would be dubious about taking the advise above, if you wish to then please do some additional research to back it up.

 

[Underwurlde]

@MissW (how are you & other 1/2 this evening BTW?)

i dunno what this aquasafe stuff is for starters, can you explain what it is and what it does.

"Makes tap water safe" you know, the deep blue coloured dechlorinator stuff you add to the water BEFORE you put in into your tank. so that normal tap water does not kill your filters.

This is not a med.
Adding it to the tank will do nowt (infact I think you can heavily over dose this stuff and it will have no ill effect on the fish / plants - some of the order of 20x the stated dose)

I am interested... why mention adding this stuff??? I'm guessing you meant something else

Andy

 

[Loobie]

I appreciate everybodys help and advice (you know who you are!). At the moment my fish are looking fine, I've just come in from work and haven't really sat down with them yet but from the glance I took they seem all fine.

Think I can end the thread here, unless something else goes awry and then I'll be back on pestering y'all again .

 

[WILDER]

Ok good luck loobie.
Wish I never said hardly lost a fish in a year and half found one of my x ray tetra dead last night.

 

[kev350d]

Wilder if its any consolation i lost a corry to, decided to try and get a bit of food from the centre of an amazon sword and got its self stuck head 1st (gills were trapped shut) i came in from work and found it wedged with the pellet still lodged between the leaves at the base of the plant. poor little blighter.

 

[WILDER]

Poor thing thats awful. R.I.P.
Never rains but pours looks like I might have another one on the way out, treating though its bacterial but it dosn't look good.