My Stock List

[Anthony_19]

Ok heres a list of all the fish im looking to get.

Feel free to comment on what you think is good and bad. thanks

. 10 neon tetras
. 1 albino shark
.1 siamese fighter female
.2 angel fish
.3 shrimp(probably cherry)
. 2 dwarf african frogs
. 4 corydoras
.1 pleco or small sucker fish lol

ps im not saying this is what im getting, this is what i would like, just need some advice on good and bad points.

I also need tips on feeding them all or maybe a guide to feeding because this will be my first tank .

 

[anwhyte]

Ok heres a list of all the fish im looking to get.

Feel free to comment on what you think is good and bad. thanks

. 10 neon tetras
. 1 albino shark
.1 siamese fighter female
.2 angel fish
.3 shrimp(probably cherry)
. 2 dwarf african frogs
. 4 corydoras
.1 pleco or small sucker fish lol

ps im not saying this is what im getting, this is what i would like, just need some advice on good and bad points.

I also need tips on feeding them all or maybe a guide to feeding because this will be my first tank .

hi, will need to know the size of the tank.

 

[Anthony_19]

its a rio125.125 litres lol

 

[waterdrop]

I'm not great with stocking advice but to start things off I'll comment: To me, your initial plan here looks to not be overstocking the 125L/33G with the caveat that I don't know how many "inches" of bioload the dwarf frogs would count for (?)

The 2 angels will need about 17" of height in the tank. Has your 125L got that kind of height? We usually count angels for about 4" of fishbody but they get to be really "tall" in the tank in their mature years.

Ten neons will make a really nice shoal. Its important to realize the "timing" with neons of course. You'll want to wait 6 months (total time since tank was first filled, has nothing to do with cycling) before they are introduced to the water. Then you want them to be settled in for a while prior to introducing the baby angelfish. That way the angels will hopefully grow up with them and see them as a normal part of the environment and not eat them (neons are the natural food of angels in the Amazon.)

The corys (there are hundreds of recognized types) vary quite a bit about ideal introduction time. Most are hardy, some are sensitive, so be aware of that needed research.

Hopefully others will advise about the albino shark. Ditto for the frogs and shrimp. I think you have to be very careful not to get clawed frogs, a mistake that happens...

You have to research your Pleco type to be sure it stays small enough as it appears you already know.

Good start to the process ( 1- list fish you like, 2 - research if bioload is too big, 3 - research grouping sizes per species, 4 - research incompatibities within and between species) ... which you seem to be doing!

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[Anthony_19]

ok.the tank measures 81by36by50. 50 being the height.

 

[waterdrop]

So if you mean cm, then 50cm is 19.7 inches (by our aquarium calculator up there) so should be more than fine for the angels

 

[Anthony_19]

good good.whats the best way 2 work out the space for all the fish?

 

[waterdrop]

I'm sure some of the TFF'ers have sites that catalog maximum size each species reaches (that is sites for when one needs to go beyond our TFF site, which of course probably has most of them, or when one wants to do the work of gathering some comparisons of maximum size from more than one site.) Anyway, of course you always seek the data for the absolute maximum size the species can reach and that's what you use. This will be the size of the body of the fish without the fins. This method of adding up fish body inches works ok for very average fish like platies and rasboras and common medium small ones like that. Once fish get up in the 4 inch and beyond range then the water volume will support fewer of the them and the rough "inch" guideline breaks down. Likewise, tiny fish like neons and downward could be stocked at higher numbers of adult inches because they are less of a bioload per inch.

Personally, I just count up inches very roughly in my head because I had a lot of years of having a lot of tanks and can picture usually the sizes that many of them can get to but this is really not such a great way to do it, especially for a beginner. By the way, its important to understand what I believe to be one of the "subtexts" behind the typical advice here in the beginner section: Its just such a good thing for a true beginner to have about a year where they do not go above the "rough inch stocking guideline" (ie. understock or just be right about at the one inch guideline) so that they have a really good chance of success with their tank and can get the "feel" of how things go when things are right. As they get more experienced beyond that time they might feel they want to try handling an "overstocked" tank if they can afford to have the extra filtration this entails. Over filtration and excellent maintenance habits (good gravel cleaning water changes that are not missed!) can allow some to stock on up to about 2" of adult fish body per US gallon and we here some TFFers say they do this. On the other hand, understocking is a huge advantage in a power outage, where overstockers have trouble not losing fish unless they have a backup electricity generator or such! All of this is not to mention the aesthetics, which of course go in both directions. Many of the most beautiful planted tanks are understocked with just a big shoal or two of tetras going in and out of the plants and many would agree these are some of the most beautiful tanks. Likewise, we've all seen big tanks loaded with big fish that look interesting and wonderful too, so there you go!

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[arobinson1984]

I have the rio 125 and its not big enough for angels.

The 50cm height you measured includes the base and lid parts, taking into account substrate you only get around 15-15.5" of water so its not quite enough for angels.

Angels with neon tetras is a no no, angels will eat neons.

Up the corys to 6-8
Up the frogs to 4, I have 4 in my rio 125, when kept in slightly larger gruosp you see their personalities more. They hardly even add to the bioload.
I have an albino rainbow shark in my rio 125 and its fine but thats not always the case, they can get aggressive towards other fish so its luck of the draw.

Andy

 

[Anthony_19]

I have the rio 125 and its not big enough for angels.

The 50cm height you measured includes the base and lid parts, taking into account substrate you only get around 15-15.5" of water so its not quite enough for angels.

Angels with neon tetras is a no no, angels will eat neons.

Up the corys to 6-8
Up the frogs to 4, I have 4 in my rio 125, when kept in slightly larger gruosp you see their personalities more. They hardly even add to the bioload.
I have an albino rainbow shark in my rio 125 and its fine but thats not always the case, they can get aggressive towards other fish so its luck of the draw.

Andy

Good to here from someone that has a rio125.ok so il not go for the angels then.what all fish have you got in your tank ?

 

[waterdrop]

I have the rio 125 and its not big enough for angels.

The 50cm height you measured includes the base and lid parts, taking into account substrate you only get around 15-15.5" of water so its not quite enough for angels.

Angels with neon tetras is a no no, angels will eat neons.

Up the corys to 6-8
Up the frogs to 4, I have 4 in my rio 125, when kept in slightly larger gruosp you see their personalities more. They hardly even add to the bioload.
I have an albino rainbow shark in my rio 125 and its fine but thats not always the case, they can get aggressive towards other fish so its luck of the draw.

Andy

SpoilSport

 

[SJ2K]

Ok heres a list of all the fish im looking to get.

Feel free to comment on what you think is good and bad. thanks

. 10 neon tetras
. 1 albino shark
.1 siamese fighter female
.2 angel fish
.3 shrimp(probably cherry)
. 2 dwarf african frogs
. 4 corydoras
.1 pleco or small sucker fish lol

Angel fish may well eat the neons if they reach maturity (its been known, do so at your own risk). The stocking shows no major no no's but to me its almost 'too' diverse. I think a small mix is key, too much and it looks like a rabble thrown together and not enough can lack the esthetical edge. Working with those fish in mind personaly id go with:

2/3 Angels (If you think there suitable for the tank size)
10 Lemon/Bentosi/Bleeding Heart Tetra (Larger body heigh reduces risk of being eaten)
4/5 Cherry shrimp
6+ Cories
1 BN Plec

My 2 cents